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Welcome to our second installment of Let's Talk Legends with our special guest Bill! He's a long time fan of Star Wars (longer than the boys have been alive even) who is back again, this time to talk about the fall of 2 Force Users in the Skywalker Line: Anakin Skywalker and Jacen Solo
00:00:00 --> 00:00:01 Hey everyone and may the force be with you. Nikita
00:00:01 --> 00:00:05 here with Winchie and we just wanted to give
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00:00:12 --> 00:00:16 we unfortunately had a couple of technical difficulties
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00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 it is not our typical quality, which we'd like
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00:00:44 --> 00:00:46 time with Bill and such a great conversation.
00:00:46 --> 00:00:48 We still felt like it was content that we wanted
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00:02:26 --> 00:02:29 but uh like we said this was a great conversation
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00:02:31 --> 00:02:34 to be a little about you know what if the empire
00:02:35 --> 00:02:38 you know, one at Yavin and with super weapons
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00:02:55 --> 00:02:58 you guys for being here. Enjoy the episode and
00:02:58 --> 00:03:02 we will see you on our next post. Isn't this
00:03:02 --> 00:03:04 when we start the, what's up guys. Welcome to.
00:03:05 --> 00:03:06 Yeah, but you can still... What am I going to
00:03:06 --> 00:03:09 say? Bye? Okay, look. You don't have to say bye.
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00:03:11 --> 00:03:14 can just follow up. Son of a bitch. That's awkward.
00:03:14 --> 00:03:41 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. God damn it. everyone and
00:03:41 --> 00:03:43 welcome back to the force unscripted it's your
00:03:43 --> 00:03:47 boy Nikita here with my host Wenshi and our special
00:03:47 --> 00:03:50 guest bill for our let's talk legends segment
00:03:50 --> 00:03:53 thank you guys for tuning in i'm super excited
00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 we love it when bill comes on the show it's always
00:03:55 --> 00:03:58 a great time and we get to nerd out even though
00:03:58 --> 00:03:59 he dies on the weirdest fucking hill sometimes
00:03:59 --> 00:04:02 for some reason but that's okay i'm gonna give
00:04:02 --> 00:04:04 a hill back to you here a little bit today you
00:04:04 --> 00:04:07 just just this is just for you making up for
00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 for a hill i took from you last time i'm giving
00:04:09 --> 00:04:11 you the hill back a little bit so i can stab
00:04:11 --> 00:04:14 my flag into the top yes actually this is one
00:04:14 --> 00:04:16 you can totally stab your flag into the top of.
00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 But it's also going to stand on something that
00:04:19 --> 00:04:21 I've said for a long time about it, too. But
00:04:21 --> 00:04:23 I'll give it back to you. All right, so, well,
00:04:23 --> 00:04:25 just let the viewers know what we're talking
00:04:25 --> 00:04:28 about today. What's our Let's Talk Legends segment,
00:04:28 --> 00:04:32 Mr. Leader? So, way back in yonder, when we first
00:04:32 --> 00:04:37 saw the... The plans for the Death Star on Geonosis.
00:04:37 --> 00:04:41 That was the first time we ever saw the Death
00:04:41 --> 00:04:45 Star in its glory and what's about to be unleashed
00:04:45 --> 00:04:49 upon the galaxy. And get into a little bit of
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 why the Emperor may have had a thing for super
00:04:52 --> 00:04:56 weapons. I don't remember if it was a game or
00:04:56 --> 00:04:59 a comic or what it was, but at one point, like
00:04:59 --> 00:05:02 five years before this, so even pre -Attack of
00:05:02 --> 00:05:04 the Clones, Thrawn returns. back from the outer
00:05:04 --> 00:05:08 the space beyond the outer rim and he's met refugees
00:05:08 --> 00:05:12 who were fleeing the the vong and the yuzang
00:05:12 --> 00:05:15 vong and they tell him that they're coming this
00:05:15 --> 00:05:19 way and this is what they are and it's basically
00:05:19 --> 00:05:23 you know space mongols coming this way and so
00:05:23 --> 00:05:26 there's been a a underlying or a kind of conspiracy
00:05:26 --> 00:05:29 theory out there is did the empire build all
00:05:29 --> 00:05:31 these super weapons to fight the vong just do
00:05:31 --> 00:05:34 a quick rundown of of you know the biggies that
00:05:34 --> 00:05:37 they had so you had the first death star obviously
00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 that one got killed at yavin second death star
00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 then you had in one of the comics you had tarkin
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 project tarkin which was a death star super laser
00:05:47 --> 00:05:51 morphed into a Star Destroyer hull. Quick question
00:05:51 --> 00:05:53 for you. Was that one of the Kweezucks projects
00:05:53 --> 00:05:56 inside of the mall? Yes. I think that was one
00:05:56 --> 00:05:58 of the, yeah, because all of these were done
00:05:58 --> 00:06:01 pretty much at the Maul installation. Once they
00:06:01 --> 00:06:05 lost the Maul installation, that pretty much
00:06:05 --> 00:06:08 shut down the Imperial super weapon pipeline.
00:06:08 --> 00:06:10 They didn't really have any more after that.
00:06:10 --> 00:06:15 So yeah, the only one that wasn't was Darksaber,
00:06:15 --> 00:06:17 but that one doesn't really count because...
00:06:17 --> 00:06:18 Oh God, don't remind me of that story, please.
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 But yeah, all the other ones were either at,
00:06:23 --> 00:06:28 well, no, because... Galaxy Gun was not built
00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 at... at uh at the mall that was built at this
00:06:31 --> 00:06:35 during the the dark empire story but yeah no
00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 pretty much all pretty much all these came came
00:06:37 --> 00:06:40 out of the mall the galaxy gun that was the one
00:06:40 --> 00:06:43 that shot the the hyperspace nukes that could
00:06:43 --> 00:06:45 missiles could jump through hyperspace and and
00:06:45 --> 00:06:48 hit targets so this was supposed to be you know
00:06:48 --> 00:06:51 his his uh far away planet buster got another
00:06:51 --> 00:06:53 one kind of in that same category that we'll
00:06:53 --> 00:06:55 come back to you remember the world devastators
00:06:55 --> 00:06:58 from yeah for sure i think you know in in the
00:06:58 --> 00:07:00 big scheme of things they're kind of like you
00:07:00 --> 00:07:03 know that that's the best the empire could do
00:07:03 --> 00:07:05 for a super weapon is just something that can
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 eat a planet slowly but the world devastators
00:07:08 --> 00:07:11 was thrown attack on moncal right uh that was
00:07:11 --> 00:07:13 palpatine's attack oh okay okay you're right
00:07:13 --> 00:07:15 you're right but it was moncal though yeah yeah
00:07:15 --> 00:07:19 they yeah it attacked moncal and lando got one
00:07:19 --> 00:07:21 of the Star Destroyers that the Republic eaten
00:07:21 --> 00:07:26 there again. Then you also had the, there were
00:07:26 --> 00:07:29 a few attempts to put super lasers on a couple
00:07:29 --> 00:07:31 of Star Destroyers, or on a couple of Super Star
00:07:31 --> 00:07:34 Destroyers. Then you had them starting to do
00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 the, they called it the Conqueror Class, which
00:07:37 --> 00:07:40 is a standard destroyer that had kind of like
00:07:40 --> 00:07:42 a baby super laser on it. It couldn't do a whole
00:07:42 --> 00:07:45 planet, but it could basically nuke a continent.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:46 They really had a hard -on for these lasers.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:48 Yeah, they really did. And then... I'm going
00:07:48 --> 00:07:51 to come back to the last one. You'll be, you'll
00:07:51 --> 00:07:53 be happy. The sun crusher. The sun crusher is
00:07:53 --> 00:07:55 the goat. I don't care what you say. It's the
00:07:55 --> 00:07:56 goat. That's, that's basically the, you know,
00:07:56 --> 00:07:59 obviously all of the, all of them were destroyed
00:07:59 --> 00:08:02 by the, by the rebellion or buried deep within
00:08:02 --> 00:08:04 the core of Yavin, where you couldn't get to
00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 in the event of the sun crusher, since you think
00:08:06 --> 00:08:08 had so much plot armor, you couldn't destroy
00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 it. Yeah. Unless you're a Kip Durham possessed
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 by Exar Kun. You know, as far as the, we, we
00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 know the Republic, even if they had planet busters,
00:08:15 --> 00:08:17 they wouldn't have used them against the Vaughn
00:08:17 --> 00:08:19 because. They were, Jedi were like, no, we're
00:08:19 --> 00:08:21 not ever going to use a planet buster or we're
00:08:21 --> 00:08:23 not going to use anything like that in response
00:08:23 --> 00:08:25 to the Vong invasion because that's just totally
00:08:25 --> 00:08:28 against everything the Republic stands for and
00:08:28 --> 00:08:32 all that, which, you know, Kip famously disagreed
00:08:32 --> 00:08:34 with more than a little bit. So there's one other
00:08:34 --> 00:08:37 super weapon that wasn't on this list that I
00:08:37 --> 00:08:40 thought about, and that's Luke Skywalker because
00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 the Emperor had him. on several occasions where
00:08:43 --> 00:08:46 he could have turned Luke. And the first time
00:08:46 --> 00:08:50 he got into his lightning torture thing a little
00:08:50 --> 00:08:54 too much and Vader realized that he wasn't going
00:08:54 --> 00:08:58 to stop with it. And then, you know, he decides
00:08:58 --> 00:09:00 to vault Palpatine over the edge. And I think
00:09:00 --> 00:09:03 the fact that Vader realized that Palpatine wasn't
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 going to stop because, you know, Vader obviously
00:09:06 --> 00:09:09 has no problem with hard parenting a child given
00:09:09 --> 00:09:11 the fact he cut his son's hand off the last time
00:09:11 --> 00:09:13 he saw him. So what's a little lightning torture
00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 to a guy who lives in a torture suit 24 -7? But
00:09:16 --> 00:09:18 I think whenever he realized he wasn't going
00:09:18 --> 00:09:21 to stop is what made Vader do that. But if we
00:09:21 --> 00:09:26 go back to Yavin for a second, remember the Death
00:09:26 --> 00:09:29 Star reactor engineer that flips all the switches
00:09:29 --> 00:09:32 to fire the super laser? Yes. If that guy had
00:09:32 --> 00:09:38 been more Scotty and less Homer Simpson. I mean,
00:09:38 --> 00:09:41 Luke still is going to, you know, Luke still
00:09:41 --> 00:09:44 kills the Death Star back. So Death Star one's
00:09:44 --> 00:09:47 off the table. So this is my theory of how the
00:09:47 --> 00:09:50 Empire would deploy things if it had it against
00:09:50 --> 00:09:53 the invasion. And what I'm going to tell you,
00:09:53 --> 00:09:55 Negate, is going to be a surprise, okay? I promise
00:09:55 --> 00:09:59 you this. So if the Death Star nukes Yavin before
00:09:59 --> 00:10:03 the Death Star, before Luke's torpedo hits, Leia's
00:10:03 --> 00:10:05 dead. Leia's out of the picture. Oh, absolutely.
00:10:05 --> 00:10:09 We fast forward to the... raid on Endor. Leia's
00:10:09 --> 00:10:12 not there to ally with the Ewoks. The Ewoks do
00:10:12 --> 00:10:15 not enter the fight at the shield bunker. There's
00:10:15 --> 00:10:18 no cavalry for the rebels when they get ambushed
00:10:18 --> 00:10:21 by the stormtroopers that the Emperor has hidden.
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 So the shield attack fails, and the Emperor,
00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 and then the Imperial fleet just carves up what
00:10:27 --> 00:10:31 doesn't escape of the rebellion whenever it's
00:10:31 --> 00:10:33 realized that, you know, there's absolutely no
00:10:33 --> 00:10:36 chance at this. But I mean, okay, wait, on the
00:10:36 --> 00:10:38 Endor thing? though like the ewoks were like
00:10:38 --> 00:10:42 worshiping c -3po before like leia was doing
00:10:42 --> 00:10:45 her whole you know smooth talking get him to
00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 join us kind of thing they were they had c -3po
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 up on a on a throne he was also on yavin oh that's
00:10:52 --> 00:10:55 true but the thing is i don't think you even
00:10:55 --> 00:10:59 get to endor if you nuke yavin because mothma's
00:10:59 --> 00:11:04 gone dadana's gone bell iblis is gone leia's
00:11:04 --> 00:11:07 got what rebel movement do you have wasn't back
00:11:07 --> 00:11:12 yet. Oh, he wasn't? No, and Mon Mothma had left
00:11:12 --> 00:11:17 during Rogue One. So, Mon Mothma, the only two
00:11:17 --> 00:11:21 that were there that were really high up was
00:11:21 --> 00:11:25 Leia and Odana. What about Draven too? Wasn't
00:11:25 --> 00:11:27 he there? Can we really count Draven? He's kind
00:11:27 --> 00:11:28 of an asshole and he died to Vader in like three
00:11:28 --> 00:11:33 days later. Okay, fair. I mean, yeah, I still
00:11:33 --> 00:11:36 can see the rebellion still has, it's not going
00:11:36 --> 00:11:39 to hurt the intelligence network significantly
00:11:39 --> 00:11:42 because that wasn't run out of YAB and they had
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 that all throughout the organization. But Leia
00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 and 3PO keep the Ewoks from helping. So back
00:11:49 --> 00:11:51 to the second Death Star. Obviously the second
00:11:51 --> 00:11:54 Death Star lives. Luke doesn't have that point
00:11:54 --> 00:11:57 of Leia whenever he's dueling Vader that makes
00:11:57 --> 00:12:02 him stop, where he thinks of his sister and is
00:12:02 --> 00:12:05 able to stop attacking Vader after he cut Vader's
00:12:05 --> 00:12:07 hand off. And now, granted, Luke does one of
00:12:07 --> 00:12:10 his trademark stupid Luke things, and he throws
00:12:10 --> 00:12:12 his fucking lightsaber away whenever the Emperor
00:12:12 --> 00:12:15 is coming down to talk to him. I'm like, no,
00:12:16 --> 00:12:18 don't throw your lightsaber away. You're as dumb
00:12:18 --> 00:12:19 as your father losing your lightsaber all the
00:12:19 --> 00:12:23 time. So at this point, I... would believe and
00:12:23 --> 00:12:27 we see with Dark Empire in the legends. Luke
00:12:27 --> 00:12:30 falls and becomes Palpatine's apprentice. So
00:12:30 --> 00:12:33 now we fast forward to when Thrawn comes back.
00:12:33 --> 00:12:35 Seeing as how he's one of the few non -humans
00:12:35 --> 00:12:38 that Palpatine trusts, I would kind of expect
00:12:38 --> 00:12:42 him to kind of like, okay, if this is my threat
00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 after post -rebellion, is this invasion coming?
00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 Yeah, we're going to turn towards meeting that
00:12:48 --> 00:12:51 invasion. So Thrawn comes back. talks to Palpatine,
00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 tells him, you know, the, the bong's coming and
00:12:54 --> 00:12:56 this is how we need to change Imperial military
00:12:56 --> 00:12:59 as a result. And seeing as how he's already put
00:12:59 --> 00:13:02 this much faith in Thrawn and what Thrawn's finding
00:13:02 --> 00:13:05 out, I fully could see him just making Thrawn
00:13:05 --> 00:13:09 a warlord and giving him the Imperial army, Imperial
00:13:09 --> 00:13:12 Navy to do whatever he needs to. I mean, and
00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 yeah, you, we see in like the hand of Thrawn
00:13:14 --> 00:13:17 duology, Thrawn was doing some work outside,
00:13:17 --> 00:13:20 you know, like the areas where like past. the
00:13:20 --> 00:13:23 Chiss ascendancy and where like the Yuuzhan Vong
00:13:23 --> 00:13:25 could have come from. Like there was a, basically
00:13:25 --> 00:13:28 a second empire outside of the galactic, you
00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 know, whatever galaxy, the name of the galaxy
00:13:30 --> 00:13:33 is outside of that. So like, I definitely, I'm
00:13:33 --> 00:13:37 of the mind that like, if the empire controlled
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 the galaxy at the time of the Yuuzhan Vong threat,
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 like as soon as they enter the galactic ring,
00:13:43 --> 00:13:45 like I think Palpatine just takes care of it
00:13:45 --> 00:13:48 from the get go. I agree with you. And for, for
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 one reason. The Sun Crusher exists. Every other
00:13:51 --> 00:13:56 one of the super weapons that they have, the
00:13:56 --> 00:13:57 Vong would be able to answer. The Death Star,
00:13:58 --> 00:13:59 the Vong would be able to answer. I mean, the
00:13:59 --> 00:14:02 Death Star would be a suicide run. It's like,
00:14:02 --> 00:14:05 we're destroying this at the cost of this battle
00:14:05 --> 00:14:07 station. Because, A, the Vong are not going to
00:14:07 --> 00:14:11 let it escape, and they're going to throw everything
00:14:11 --> 00:14:14 they can at it to destroy it. Okay, I have one
00:14:14 --> 00:14:17 counter to what you said about just the Sun Crusher.
00:14:17 --> 00:14:20 Hear me out. I have Palpatine. palpatine i don't
00:14:20 --> 00:14:24 think is it it didn't seem like it would be focused
00:14:24 --> 00:14:28 enough to because the the the thing that that
00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 that i think that the super weapon would have
00:14:30 --> 00:14:32 to do would be it would have to scare the vong
00:14:32 --> 00:14:35 so much that they believe that that this is the
00:14:35 --> 00:14:38 that you know the the vong religion is like we're
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 we're we're strong we're we're gonna we're gonna
00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 do this we're gonna do this until we get punched
00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 in the face and you prove that you're stronger
00:14:44 --> 00:14:47 than me and then we go hide on a planet that
00:14:47 --> 00:14:52 our god gave us So the Iapalpatine, I don't think
00:14:52 --> 00:14:55 would be of that. I think it would be one of
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 those things that they would counter it very
00:14:58 --> 00:15:01 quickly. I think the Suncrusher stops them cold
00:15:01 --> 00:15:04 there if they know of that star. And the Vong's
00:15:04 --> 00:15:07 first encounter with them is these people are
00:15:07 --> 00:15:10 able to kill stars. And the Suncrusher is so
00:15:10 --> 00:15:12 small and the torpedoes are so small that it
00:15:12 --> 00:15:16 evades their sensors that it's basically all
00:15:16 --> 00:15:18 but undetectable because of how small. it is
00:15:18 --> 00:15:20 and how far away it can fire and be gone before
00:15:20 --> 00:15:25 they even have a clue that the sun has gone critical
00:15:25 --> 00:15:27 do you think palpatine would okay i don't even
00:15:27 --> 00:15:28 that's a dumb question because palpatine would
00:15:28 --> 00:15:31 absolutely sacrifice the system to stop the the
00:15:31 --> 00:15:35 long he sacrificed half the galaxy yeah you don't
00:15:35 --> 00:15:38 care he's in charge it's like that's like you
00:15:38 --> 00:15:41 know half the mouse to feed just thanos it not
00:15:41 --> 00:15:46 thanos well because here's here's and yes absolutely
00:15:46 --> 00:15:50 him Thrawn or Palpatine knowing the threat that
00:15:50 --> 00:15:54 the Vong are. Thrawn in particular, I don't think
00:15:54 --> 00:15:57 Thrawn would have a problem sacrificing an Outer
00:15:57 --> 00:15:59 Rim planet. I think he would go probably as far
00:15:59 --> 00:16:01 as to do some of the Mid Rim planets too. Like
00:16:01 --> 00:16:05 when the Vong pushed Korward through Fondor and
00:16:05 --> 00:16:08 they skipped Corellia because they knew that
00:16:08 --> 00:16:11 Centerpoint existed. Oh, which that's another
00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 interesting thing. If Empire never fell, you
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 never had Showdown at Centerpoint. Nobody knows
00:16:16 --> 00:16:20 Centerpoint is a weapon, okay? So the Vong wouldn't
00:16:20 --> 00:16:23 know to avoid Corellia because of what they learned
00:16:23 --> 00:16:25 about Centerpoint. They would attack Corellia
00:16:25 --> 00:16:27 if that would be one that would be a candidate
00:16:27 --> 00:16:31 for being sun -crushed. So you sun -crush Corellia,
00:16:31 --> 00:16:34 what gets destroyed in the Nova besides Corellia?
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 Centerpoint was used in the Vong invasion, right?
00:16:37 --> 00:16:40 And it's the one time they activated and it fucked
00:16:40 --> 00:16:42 up the Hapen fleet? Or was that outside of the
00:16:42 --> 00:16:43 Vong War? You know what I'm talking about? That
00:16:43 --> 00:16:45 was Showdown at Centerpoint. No, the one that
00:16:45 --> 00:16:47 was... During the Vong War, Anakin fired it.
00:16:47 --> 00:16:50 Right, okay. It wouldn't have been a weapon that
00:16:50 --> 00:16:51 the Empire would have had. If you know of Corellia,
00:16:52 --> 00:16:53 Centerpoint gets destroyed. What happens when
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 Centerpoint gets destroyed? Who comes out to
00:16:56 --> 00:16:59 play? Is it Abaloth? No? Yeah, okay. That's what
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 I was thinking. I was like, isn't it the... She's
00:17:01 --> 00:17:05 trapped in the Maw, yeah. Yep. And then Palpatine
00:17:05 --> 00:17:07 has to deal with Abaloth. Oh, God. Do you think
00:17:07 --> 00:17:10 Palpatine could handle Abaloth? I agree that
00:17:10 --> 00:17:13 he could handle the Vong. I'm not sure that he
00:17:13 --> 00:17:15 could handle Abaloth. I think... Abaloth possesses
00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 him. I was going to say, I think they're going
00:17:18 --> 00:17:21 to join the fuck up. Now that's a scary thought.
00:17:22 --> 00:17:25 A Palpatine -Abaloth merger? Fuck. All because
00:17:25 --> 00:17:29 you got Homer Simpson instead of Scotty on the
00:17:29 --> 00:17:33 reactor for the first Esther. That's the shatter
00:17:33 --> 00:17:38 point for that torpedo shot right there. That's
00:17:38 --> 00:17:40 a shatter point for that torpedo shot was, was
00:17:40 --> 00:17:42 it a split split second too soon or a split second
00:17:42 --> 00:17:45 too late? Which way did that coin flip go? I
00:17:45 --> 00:17:47 don't think they built them as a, as a counter
00:17:47 --> 00:17:49 to, to the super weapon. I think he built them
00:17:49 --> 00:17:53 solely for the, for just overwhelming force for,
00:17:53 --> 00:17:56 you know, subjugation and, and all the, all the
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 fear ruling by fear tactics that, that they had.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:01 I don't, I don't think any of the, the, and even
00:18:01 --> 00:18:04 the sun crusher does the existence of the sun
00:18:04 --> 00:18:06 crusher would be a bonus, but it would just be
00:18:06 --> 00:18:08 one of those that would just be. be a pure surprise
00:18:08 --> 00:18:11 like what kip did with with the first time when
00:18:11 --> 00:18:13 he fired it over was a cardia everybody's dead
00:18:13 --> 00:18:16 they don't know it and that would be the type
00:18:16 --> 00:18:18 of weapon that the empire would use it for they
00:18:18 --> 00:18:20 wouldn't use it i mean they would use it strategically
00:18:20 --> 00:18:24 if they needed to but you know like all their
00:18:24 --> 00:18:27 their things i think were were, you know, largely
00:18:27 --> 00:18:31 designed as terror weapon or, you know, mass
00:18:31 --> 00:18:34 force projection. And see, like, I'm of the mind,
00:18:34 --> 00:18:37 I'm of that same mind, because I feel like, yes,
00:18:37 --> 00:18:40 they did not create this for some extra galactic
00:18:40 --> 00:18:43 threat. But had it happened, it would have been
00:18:43 --> 00:18:45 a damn good resource to have. One of the things
00:18:45 --> 00:18:47 that I was really curious about, too, is like,
00:18:47 --> 00:18:50 what would Palpatine's response to the Sea Rook
00:18:50 --> 00:18:53 have been? in the situation at the truce at Bakura,
00:18:53 --> 00:18:56 right? Because they were also extra galactic.
00:18:56 --> 00:18:59 I think he would have been as xenophobic towards
00:18:59 --> 00:19:02 them as he would have been towards anything else.
00:19:02 --> 00:19:06 But would Leia have had any cause in the contact
00:19:06 --> 00:19:09 with the Bakurans? Well, you wouldn't have Leia,
00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 right? Because she would have died at Yavin.
00:19:11 --> 00:19:14 And then you also never get Anakin Skywalker
00:19:14 --> 00:19:18 appearing as a Force ghost. No, you don't. But
00:19:18 --> 00:19:20 then, you know, the other interesting thing that
00:19:20 --> 00:19:23 you get into with Force Ghost Palpatine loop,
00:19:23 --> 00:19:25 where he became a Force Ghost and he repossessed
00:19:25 --> 00:19:26 somebody. He became a Force Ghost and he repossessed
00:19:26 --> 00:19:28 somebody. He became a Force Ghost. Like, okay,
00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 we got it. Let's move on. When they were doing
00:19:31 --> 00:19:33 that loop, if Luke had become his apprentice,
00:19:34 --> 00:19:36 he would have been Mara Jade earlier. Now, granted,
00:19:36 --> 00:19:38 you wouldn't have had the Solo twins, but you
00:19:38 --> 00:19:41 would have had Luke and Mara's children. You
00:19:41 --> 00:19:45 could have had Jason and Jaina be theirs, and
00:19:45 --> 00:19:48 then Ben is the youngest kid, and then Ben becomes
00:19:48 --> 00:19:52 the Anakin that... Palps wants to possess when
00:19:52 --> 00:19:55 he's about to die again. And, you know, there's
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 a whole lot of stuff you can get into, like Dark
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 Side Luke. If Sith Luke has killed Palpatine
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 by the time Avaloth comes out, how does Dark
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 Jedi Luke handle Avaloth at the head of, like,
00:20:06 --> 00:20:09 a Sith Empire? Because he doesn't have any of
00:20:09 --> 00:20:11 the attachment to the light side. All the Jedi
00:20:11 --> 00:20:13 are gone. And that's the thing, like, even with
00:20:13 --> 00:20:15 Palpatine. Palpatine, I think she would possess
00:20:15 --> 00:20:17 Palpatine before he even knew what happened,
00:20:17 --> 00:20:21 to be honest, for how strong. she would be coming
00:20:21 --> 00:20:25 out of the mall in that scenario. And his soul
00:20:25 --> 00:20:29 is already malleable, right? Because he's doing
00:20:29 --> 00:20:31 all that clone shit. She could just boot his
00:20:31 --> 00:20:34 soul out of his body real quick. It would be
00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 just like how he says, like, I just take control
00:20:36 --> 00:20:39 of this person. And, you know, I basically I
00:20:39 --> 00:20:41 kick them out of their body and now I have their
00:20:41 --> 00:20:44 body. The your soul is mine thing kind of. Yeah,
00:20:44 --> 00:20:46 she would do that. I don't I don't think I don't
00:20:46 --> 00:20:48 think she would blink to do it to him either,
00:20:48 --> 00:20:50 because for how strong she would be from the
00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 time she came out of the mall, she was fighting
00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 Luke and Ben almost at every step. He was fighting
00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 Luke and Ben. And then she was also fighting
00:20:58 --> 00:21:01 the the dark, like the lost Sith. Right. Like
00:21:01 --> 00:21:03 she was fighting both sides. I feel like. like
00:21:03 --> 00:21:06 Sith like dark side Luke if he killed Palpatine
00:21:06 --> 00:21:09 and like took over I feel like he still would
00:21:09 --> 00:21:12 have had the potential to he had more potential
00:21:12 --> 00:21:15 to be Abaloth than Palpatine did as like emperor
00:21:15 --> 00:21:18 oh yeah yeah I I would I would agree with that
00:21:18 --> 00:21:23 no Palpatine and Abaloth is Abaloth uh taking
00:21:23 --> 00:21:25 over Palpatine and ruling at the head of a synth
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 empire that's now ruled by you know the embodiment
00:21:28 --> 00:21:31 of the dark side Yeah, I think Luke would have...
00:21:31 --> 00:21:33 It wouldn't have been the same. Like, when he
00:21:33 --> 00:21:35 beat Avaloth, you know, he's, like, fully immersed
00:21:35 --> 00:21:37 in the light side of the Force. He's basically,
00:21:37 --> 00:21:40 like, a god almost, right? But if he's going...
00:21:41 --> 00:21:42 Full dark side, I think it'd be the same thing.
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 He's going to be fully immersed in the dark side,
00:21:45 --> 00:21:47 channeling his, you are not going to be, you
00:21:47 --> 00:21:49 know, you're not going to take my place. I'm
00:21:49 --> 00:21:51 going to use my maximum, like, potential, power,
00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 everything. Just, it's going to be dark side
00:21:54 --> 00:21:55 instead of light side. I think he's still just,
00:21:56 --> 00:21:59 it's going to be more of like a struggle of wills
00:21:59 --> 00:22:01 and less of like a actual battle. Because, I
00:22:01 --> 00:22:02 mean, she's just going to go straight for the
00:22:02 --> 00:22:05 possession route, right? But I still think he
00:22:05 --> 00:22:08 wins. He didn't have any of the light side stuff,
00:22:08 --> 00:22:11 like flow walking or... any of the other stuff
00:22:11 --> 00:22:14 the spiritual stuff that if if he would just
00:22:14 --> 00:22:17 solely the sith side that they needed to use
00:22:17 --> 00:22:19 because remember they basically had to combine
00:22:19 --> 00:22:22 dark side and light side powers to you know binder
00:22:22 --> 00:22:24 again basically he would he wouldn't have the
00:22:24 --> 00:22:26 light side knowledge or there wouldn't be any
00:22:26 --> 00:22:30 really any light siders to help him at that point
00:22:30 --> 00:22:32 i think why i think it comes back there there
00:22:32 --> 00:22:35 more it's like he would be that dark side force
00:22:35 --> 00:22:39 of nature that he was as the grand master But
00:22:39 --> 00:22:42 you got two darksiders fighting to see who's
00:22:42 --> 00:22:45 the most darksidiest. Yeah, no, you're absolutely
00:22:45 --> 00:22:48 right. I think so. Like, it'd be a little different.
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 I mean, Luke would have had like 20, 30 years
00:22:51 --> 00:22:54 if he if he usurped Palpatine's position, right?
00:22:54 --> 00:22:57 Like he would have had a lot of time to be developing
00:22:57 --> 00:23:00 his skills. in the dark side. Almost a similar
00:23:00 --> 00:23:02 amount of time he had developing his light side.
00:23:02 --> 00:23:05 But he has no knowledge of, like, essence transfer.
00:23:05 --> 00:23:08 He has no knowledge of how to extend his life,
00:23:08 --> 00:23:10 so using the dark side is just gonna age the
00:23:10 --> 00:23:12 fuck out of him. But if he has access to all
00:23:12 --> 00:23:15 of Palpatine's, like, resources, he has the holocrons,
00:23:15 --> 00:23:18 he has the other stuff, like, that Palpatine
00:23:18 --> 00:23:21 was... He has Palpatine's, like, knowledge, right?
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 He just has to learn it a different way, right?
00:23:25 --> 00:23:28 You know, Flo walking all... I mean... Took Jason,
00:23:28 --> 00:23:30 what, five years to go on that little journey
00:23:30 --> 00:23:32 to learn, like, half those things that he learned?
00:23:32 --> 00:23:36 Yeah, I guess. I just feel like Luke doesn't
00:23:36 --> 00:23:39 have the machinations that Palpatine has. So
00:23:39 --> 00:23:43 is he really thinking about that? Palpatine wanted
00:23:43 --> 00:23:45 to live forever from like shortly after he killed
00:23:45 --> 00:23:49 his dad. Luke had never had aspirations. I mean,
00:23:49 --> 00:23:52 like, granted, he did fall to the dark side.
00:23:52 --> 00:23:55 But like, was his aspiration ever dominate the
00:23:55 --> 00:23:57 galaxy for forever like Palpatine was? There's
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 just power, right? It wasn't like... No, Palpatine
00:24:00 --> 00:24:02 wanted to dominate everything. No, no, I'm talking
00:24:02 --> 00:24:05 about Luke. Luke Darkseid, he's just going for
00:24:05 --> 00:24:07 power. He's not going for like infinite life.
00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 True. He basically was trying to pass himself
00:24:10 --> 00:24:13 off that he's like deep undercover. So he fell
00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 to the dark side. Wait, wait, question, Bill.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:17 I know it's random, but I got a question for
00:24:17 --> 00:24:21 you. Since he goes to the dark side under what
00:24:21 --> 00:24:22 you just said, under the guise of what you just
00:24:22 --> 00:24:26 said, and Leia is a big factor in convincing
00:24:26 --> 00:24:28 him to come back, does that make him an undercover
00:24:28 --> 00:24:33 brother? Technically, yes. I'd have to give you
00:24:33 --> 00:24:37 that one. I love that movie. I'm sorry. But yeah,
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 nothing is geared towards, like, I've got to
00:24:39 --> 00:24:44 defeat an enemy that can develop living weapons.
00:24:44 --> 00:24:47 None of their tech is geared towards that. in
00:24:47 --> 00:24:49 any way, shape, or form. The TIE fighters are
00:24:49 --> 00:24:51 still built around no shields, no hyperdrive,
00:24:51 --> 00:24:55 so your pilots can't defect. Your stormtroopers
00:24:55 --> 00:24:57 still have helmets that don't align to the sights
00:24:57 --> 00:24:58 of their weapons, so they can't hit the broadside
00:24:58 --> 00:25:01 of a barn. I mean, you still have all these things
00:25:01 --> 00:25:04 that are just the, this is just a mass -produced
00:25:04 --> 00:25:08 army designed to project force by, it's the old
00:25:08 --> 00:25:12 Soviet, we project force by mass. But Luke, coming
00:25:12 --> 00:25:17 from being an ace X -Wing pilot, he knows the
00:25:17 --> 00:25:21 benefits of the shield generators and the hyper
00:25:21 --> 00:25:23 drives and stuff. And he knew the weaknesses
00:25:23 --> 00:25:28 of the Imperial fleets. Wouldn't he... invest
00:25:28 --> 00:25:31 some of those resources to shore up the weaknesses
00:25:31 --> 00:25:33 that he was taking advantage of when he was part
00:25:33 --> 00:25:35 of the rebellion? Well, when you get into the
00:25:35 --> 00:25:37 specialized TIE fighters, I mean, you see that
00:25:37 --> 00:25:40 in all of them. Any of the Defender, the Phantom,
00:25:40 --> 00:25:44 some of the squints that are used by officers
00:25:44 --> 00:25:48 or special forces stuff, they've got shields.
00:25:48 --> 00:25:52 So, I mean, ships that good pilots that manage
00:25:52 --> 00:25:55 not to die in their TIE fighters, who can...
00:25:55 --> 00:25:59 have proven to be on the upper end of like rebel
00:25:59 --> 00:26:02 pilots flying X -Wings or... Didn't one of the
00:26:02 --> 00:26:06 Fels have a modified tie? Yeah, Suntir did. Okay,
00:26:06 --> 00:26:09 that's what I thought. Yeah, his head shields
00:26:09 --> 00:26:11 on it. There's no way you could realistically
00:26:11 --> 00:26:16 have a force the size of the Empire's and have
00:26:16 --> 00:26:20 every ship, I mean, even be like... past like
00:26:20 --> 00:26:23 an arc 170 because you know the new republic
00:26:23 --> 00:26:27 military started bending under the how good the
00:26:27 --> 00:26:30 the the fighters were during the clone wars as
00:26:30 --> 00:26:33 far from a from a tech standpoint and these these
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 are fighters flown by clones and they've got
00:26:35 --> 00:26:39 shields heavier than till you get like towards
00:26:39 --> 00:26:42 the towards the x -wing and so you see you see
00:26:42 --> 00:26:45 the empire go from we're going to have the specialist
00:26:45 --> 00:26:49 ships to We need a lot of ships, then I don't
00:26:49 --> 00:26:52 care how many of them come back, to we need the
00:26:52 --> 00:26:56 fewer better ships than the mass -produced death
00:26:56 --> 00:27:01 balls. But all that money for the Death Stars
00:27:01 --> 00:27:04 and those huge -ass Star Destroyer fleets, that
00:27:04 --> 00:27:06 money's got to come from somewhere. And, you
00:27:06 --> 00:27:09 know, Fighter Corps, you know, their ships aren't
00:27:09 --> 00:27:11 as big, as impressive as a Star Destroyer is.
00:27:11 --> 00:27:16 So, but, yeah, for specialized ships, absolutely
00:27:16 --> 00:27:20 Luke would. And, you know, like his ship, I mean,
00:27:20 --> 00:27:24 you know. Vader ship had the head shields and
00:27:24 --> 00:27:28 a hyperdrive and the X1. You get into the TIE
00:27:28 --> 00:27:31 Phantoms had them, the Defenders had them. When
00:27:31 --> 00:27:35 it comes to, just going back to if the Yu Zhong
00:27:35 --> 00:27:38 Vong attack and... Emperor Palpatine is, you
00:27:38 --> 00:27:42 know, the power B for the galaxy. Where do you
00:27:42 --> 00:27:46 think the Vong invasion stops before Palpatine
00:27:46 --> 00:27:49 completely and utterly, you know, annihilates
00:27:49 --> 00:27:52 it? Do you think they get as far as Fondor? Do
00:27:52 --> 00:27:54 you think they even get remotely close to the
00:27:54 --> 00:27:58 core? They get to Fondor because the Huskafor,
00:27:59 --> 00:28:01 I think, that would be the one to get sun -crushered.
00:28:01 --> 00:28:03 The attack at Serpendale, I think that still
00:28:03 --> 00:28:07 goes off. They may still be able to crash the
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 moon into it, but whatever force that gets the
00:28:10 --> 00:28:13 attacks there, probably going to be able to move
00:28:13 --> 00:28:17 on before the Empire can respond to it. I think
00:28:17 --> 00:28:20 they get the Fondor -Karelia line. I think that's
00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 probably as close as they get because... Thrawn
00:28:23 --> 00:28:26 will just be constantly counterattacking. And
00:28:26 --> 00:28:30 once he learns what he needs, that's when he
00:28:30 --> 00:28:34 sun crushes it to basically end that whatever
00:28:34 --> 00:28:37 world ship infestation that's moved in there.
00:28:37 --> 00:28:40 Now, do you think that Thrawn would be as effective
00:28:40 --> 00:28:43 as he normally is? Because his biggest weapon...
00:28:43 --> 00:28:47 in all honesty, when he's, you know, in the,
00:28:47 --> 00:28:51 you know, galactic core and going on his little
00:28:51 --> 00:28:54 rampage in, you know, after Heir to the Empire,
00:28:54 --> 00:28:58 is that he uses the culture and the art of the
00:28:58 --> 00:29:01 society to plan against, you know, the leaders.
00:29:01 --> 00:29:03 Because if the leader is Rodian, you know, I'm
00:29:03 --> 00:29:05 going to research Rodia and their art and, you
00:29:05 --> 00:29:08 know, know how to beat him. What does he do with
00:29:08 --> 00:29:10 an extra galactic threat that he knows nothing
00:29:10 --> 00:29:12 about? Do you think he's still as effective?
00:29:13 --> 00:29:16 He has enough time. He's got roughly 50 -ish
00:29:16 --> 00:29:18 years from the time he comes back the first time
00:29:18 --> 00:29:23 to meet Palpatine to when the Vong invade. ABY
00:29:23 --> 00:29:28 25. And he's going to train paleons along the
00:29:28 --> 00:29:30 way. He's going to train the officer corps. He's
00:29:30 --> 00:29:32 going to have more of them. So whether Thrawn
00:29:32 --> 00:29:34 himself is actually alive or not, he's going
00:29:34 --> 00:29:36 to have enough effect on it that he's going to
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 be able to teach people how to predict things.
00:29:38 --> 00:29:41 And he will have had 30 or 40 years of studying,
00:29:41 --> 00:29:44 not so much Devong, but what's running from him
00:29:44 --> 00:29:46 and what he's learning from them and what he's
00:29:46 --> 00:29:48 learning about the things that are running from
00:29:48 --> 00:29:51 him. Why are they running? He's basically doing,
00:29:51 --> 00:29:54 you know, suspect. profiling and it gives him
00:29:54 --> 00:29:56 more time to to build his profile of what he
00:29:56 --> 00:29:59 needs to do against them as soon as he figures
00:29:59 --> 00:30:03 out that the vong are really big into rule by
00:30:03 --> 00:30:07 strength and and might is right and they've never
00:30:07 --> 00:30:09 encountered anything that can destroy a son and
00:30:09 --> 00:30:13 these people can seem seemingly do it at will
00:30:13 --> 00:30:15 we're not going to go this way we're going to
00:30:15 --> 00:30:16 turn around and we're going to go off another
00:30:16 --> 00:30:20 way or we're going to try to we're going to get
00:30:20 --> 00:30:21 we're still going to believe The giant, the great
00:30:21 --> 00:30:23 evil, we're here to slay, and we're going to
00:30:23 --> 00:30:25 keep going, and we're going to get obliterated
00:30:25 --> 00:30:29 because we can't stop and adapt because a lot
00:30:29 --> 00:30:32 of what the Vong's thing was that they were able
00:30:32 --> 00:30:35 to overrun the Jedi early on. So the Jedi were
00:30:35 --> 00:30:37 entirely ineffective against the Vong. Well,
00:30:37 --> 00:30:39 not entirely, but mostly ineffective against
00:30:39 --> 00:30:41 the Vong early on. So they would have really
00:30:41 --> 00:30:46 had no great advantage against... empire like
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 that because you would not have Jedi equivalent
00:30:48 --> 00:30:51 in the empire that is probably as militarized
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 as what the Jedi are. I don't think Palpatine
00:30:54 --> 00:30:56 would allow it because if they got organized
00:30:56 --> 00:30:59 and the RMP were ready to take me out at will,
00:30:59 --> 00:31:03 Palpatine's not going to have a large dark Jedi
00:31:03 --> 00:31:07 core like what the New Republic and the Galactic
00:31:07 --> 00:31:11 Alliance had. It wouldn't happen under him. He's
00:31:11 --> 00:31:14 too paranoid. So now I guess the last thing That
00:31:14 --> 00:31:17 I want to ask. Because you know and you make
00:31:17 --> 00:31:20 fun of me for my love for Khorne Horn. And I
00:31:20 --> 00:31:24 will always hail him as the hero of Ithor. Even
00:31:24 --> 00:31:26 though what the Vong did there was absolutely
00:31:26 --> 00:31:28 fucking heinous. And I'll never forgive them
00:31:28 --> 00:31:31 for that. For putting my hero in disgrace. But
00:31:31 --> 00:31:36 do you think that the Empire is susceptible to
00:31:36 --> 00:31:39 a similar situation that happened in Ithor? Where
00:31:39 --> 00:31:44 they come under the guise of either a... a treaty
00:31:44 --> 00:31:47 or like an agreement or like you know something
00:31:47 --> 00:31:49 and they they backstab the empire and something
00:31:49 --> 00:31:52 critical happens that where they lose a lot of
00:31:52 --> 00:31:55 momentum such as like Thrawn dying or a Palaean
00:31:55 --> 00:31:58 you know having a fleet just at his hand just
00:31:58 --> 00:32:01 fall you know fall to dust like do you think
00:32:01 --> 00:32:03 that the empire is susceptible to the same ploy
00:32:03 --> 00:32:07 they would get away with it once and whatever
00:32:07 --> 00:32:12 planet it was that betrayed the empire in that
00:32:12 --> 00:32:16 manner would be subjected to probably about every
00:32:16 --> 00:32:19 bad thing the empire has to do to a planet uh
00:32:19 --> 00:32:24 whether it's the death star 2 comes out or the
00:32:24 --> 00:32:27 sun crusher comes to visit them or you get the
00:32:27 --> 00:32:31 galaxy gun or oh by the way let's i want to go
00:32:31 --> 00:32:33 back to the galaxy gun for a minute for for for
00:32:33 --> 00:32:36 one second because i gotta give i gotta give
00:32:36 --> 00:32:40 the og psychopath r2 props for taking out an
00:32:40 --> 00:32:43 Imperial super weapon with a superstar destroyer.
00:32:44 --> 00:32:46 You know, you want, if you want to get into like
00:32:46 --> 00:32:49 body, your joy body count wise, he learned well
00:32:49 --> 00:32:52 from Anakin on stack bodies. And war crimes.
00:32:52 --> 00:32:55 Don't forget war crimes. Probably where R2 learned
00:32:55 --> 00:32:58 his best material. Matter of fact, there's, there's,
00:32:58 --> 00:33:00 there's one scene in the, in the dark empire
00:33:00 --> 00:33:03 comic. Because I went back and looked at some
00:33:03 --> 00:33:05 of it because I wanted to check the latest stuff
00:33:05 --> 00:33:08 for it. There's one panel where Luke is bending
00:33:08 --> 00:33:11 Nita Palpatine and pledging himself as his apprentice.
00:33:12 --> 00:33:15 And R2 in the same panel, his thought bubble
00:33:15 --> 00:33:17 over him literally is, what the fuck? And it's
00:33:17 --> 00:33:20 like, okay, even back then, R2 is like, dude,
00:33:20 --> 00:33:23 I watched this shit with your dad. You're doing
00:33:23 --> 00:33:27 the same stuff. What is it with you guys? Corrupts
00:33:27 --> 00:33:29 absolutely. It's just like, how dumb are you
00:33:29 --> 00:33:31 Skywalker boys? Bro, and he takes it into, like,
00:33:31 --> 00:33:34 one thing that I love about R2, one of my favorite
00:33:34 --> 00:33:36 moments is, like, the last thing that he ever
00:33:36 --> 00:33:38 hears from Anakin is, R2, stay with the ship.
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 So when Cloud City comes around and Luke is like,
00:33:40 --> 00:33:42 R2, stay with the ship, it's like, nah, I know
00:33:42 --> 00:33:44 what you motherfucking Skywalkers do. I'm coming
00:33:44 --> 00:33:47 with you, bitch. He totally would see the same
00:33:47 --> 00:33:52 situation. You saw the same thing with the Emperor
00:33:52 --> 00:33:55 that, you know, the last time the Emperor lit
00:33:55 --> 00:33:59 Jedi up with force lightning. vader just stood
00:33:59 --> 00:34:03 right right beside it and no no problem i'm you
00:34:03 --> 00:34:05 know i'm gonna cut the dude's arm off first so
00:34:05 --> 00:34:07 you can do it and then you know he'd already
00:34:07 --> 00:34:09 cut luke's arm off first and then palpatine was
00:34:09 --> 00:34:12 doing it except vader was i was okay with you
00:34:12 --> 00:34:14 doing this but you're not gonna stop before you
00:34:14 --> 00:34:16 kill my boy and i'm not cool with you killing
00:34:16 --> 00:34:19 my boy he's too important and then you know over
00:34:19 --> 00:34:22 the edge goes palpatine and duly so but um i
00:34:22 --> 00:34:25 think that's all the time we have for today's
00:34:25 --> 00:34:28 segment bill once again Thank you so much for
00:34:28 --> 00:34:30 being here. We love talking with you, man. Like,
00:34:30 --> 00:34:32 it is absolutely fantastic to get to delve into
00:34:32 --> 00:34:33 the Legends world because it's not something
00:34:33 --> 00:34:36 we can do with Exotic, our other co -host. I
00:34:36 --> 00:34:37 don't think you've met him, but he basically
00:34:37 --> 00:34:39 only knows, like, the video games and the Clone
00:34:39 --> 00:34:42 Wars. Outside of that, he can't talk Legends
00:34:42 --> 00:34:44 with me and Wenshi. And, you know, me and Wenshi
00:34:44 --> 00:34:47 always talk. So it's nice to have, like, another...
00:34:48 --> 00:34:51 older more seasoned you know opinion on legend
00:34:51 --> 00:34:54 stuff and and i know we we don't always see eye
00:34:54 --> 00:34:56 to eye on the opinions like with the sun crusher
00:34:56 --> 00:34:58 and corin but we really appreciate you being
00:34:58 --> 00:35:01 here man thank you so much you're welcome And
00:35:01 --> 00:35:03 always glad to be on the show. Glad to do it.
00:35:04 --> 00:35:07 And hope to be back again. Oh, look, I mean,
00:35:07 --> 00:35:10 this is our show, but this is your segment for
00:35:10 --> 00:35:11 the most part, man. So for all the listeners
00:35:11 --> 00:35:15 out there, guys, make sure you tune in at least
00:35:15 --> 00:35:17 once a month. We're trying to get these Let's
00:35:17 --> 00:35:19 Talk Legends in segments with Bill. If you have
00:35:19 --> 00:35:22 any kind of suggestions, if you're a Legends
00:35:22 --> 00:35:25 fan out there and you want to talk about anything
00:35:25 --> 00:35:29 from the Legends timeline, a comparison to canon
00:35:29 --> 00:35:32 or just... get us get going into these like,
00:35:32 --> 00:35:34 what ifs, you know, we absolutely love getting
00:35:34 --> 00:35:36 to talk like this. Please feel free to suggest
00:35:36 --> 00:35:39 stuff. Yeah. And I'm, I'm happy to talk about
00:35:39 --> 00:35:42 any, anything of it. So, uh, any, any questions,
00:35:42 --> 00:35:46 you know, any, anything like. I've seen a lot
00:35:46 --> 00:35:47 of people now. It's like, okay, how do I start
00:35:47 --> 00:35:49 with the legends books now? Because apparently
00:35:49 --> 00:35:52 something sparked interest in the legends books
00:35:52 --> 00:35:54 with, with younger people now. So trying to steer
00:35:54 --> 00:35:56 them towards, okay, here's, here's where you
00:35:56 --> 00:35:58 start. Here's stuff to stay away from at first.
00:35:58 --> 00:36:01 And, and so, yeah, if you, any, anything like
00:36:01 --> 00:36:03 that, anything, anybody's got questions about
00:36:03 --> 00:36:06 or wants to spit ball. Yeah, we'll do. Yeah.
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00:36:54 --> 00:36:57 stop stealing my fucking lines i mean i'm gonna
00:36:57 --> 00:37:00 forget it if i don't do the scripted like 10
00:37:00 --> 00:37:03 of them so so either you're forgetful or a thief
00:37:03 --> 00:37:05 neither of those are redeeming qualities for
00:37:05 --> 00:37:07 you buddy i have many more redeeming qualities
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12 all right guys thank you so much for tuning in
00:37:12 --> 00:37:13 may the force be with you and we'll catch you
00:37:13 --> 00:37:16 all in the next episode may the force be with
00:37:16 --> 00:37:17 you