We hope you enjoy our finals thoughts on the Disney Series "Ahsoka", it's finale and what may possibly come after!
00:00:25 --> 00:00:31 This is The Force Unscripted. I am so happy to
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00:00:36 --> 00:00:38 Ahsoka series, our little two -part series that
00:00:38 --> 00:00:41 we have talking about the intricacies of the
00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 series itself, what we liked, what we don't like,
00:00:44 --> 00:00:47 all the cool stuff. Me and Hunter have been absolutely
00:00:47 --> 00:00:50 geeking out about this show. It's just been a
00:00:50 --> 00:00:54 fantastic, you know, Star Wars media. And it's
00:00:54 --> 00:00:57 just, it's one of those things that, as I say
00:00:57 --> 00:01:00 every week, it makes us really geek out about
00:01:00 --> 00:01:03 this kind of stuff. And so I'm just, I'm happy
00:01:03 --> 00:01:07 to get to continue. our conversation about the
00:01:07 --> 00:01:11 ahsoka series so uh so hunter what were your
00:01:11 --> 00:01:15 uh what were your thoughts on that uh that finale
00:01:15 --> 00:01:19 the finale was i thought it was good it was a
00:01:19 --> 00:01:22 very big cliffhanger uh literally for some people
00:01:22 --> 00:01:25 and there's a lot of unanswered questions i really
00:01:25 --> 00:01:27 hope that there's a season two i didn't see if
00:01:27 --> 00:01:29 there was an announcement for season two i know
00:01:29 --> 00:01:31 there's going to be the movie coming eventually
00:01:31 --> 00:01:33 to you know tie it all together but there were
00:01:33 --> 00:01:36 definitely a lot of plot lines that were left
00:01:36 --> 00:01:39 you know open -ended and I'm excited to see where
00:01:39 --> 00:01:42 it goes but I'm not disappointed with how it
00:01:42 --> 00:01:44 ended I think I was worried that they were going
00:01:44 --> 00:01:46 to try and wrap it up too quickly in that last
00:01:46 --> 00:01:48 episode so I'm glad that the plot lines were
00:01:48 --> 00:01:51 kind of left cliffhanger because I was worried
00:01:51 --> 00:01:54 that it was just going to be too rushed and like
00:01:54 --> 00:01:55 the quality was going to drop there at the end
00:01:55 --> 00:01:58 I think that was something that we were all kind
00:01:58 --> 00:02:00 of worried about or at least like you know, like
00:02:00 --> 00:02:03 the diehard Star Wars fans, because you're right.
00:02:03 --> 00:02:05 There are a lot of, a lot of plot points that
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 they didn't kind of tie up. So that makes me
00:02:08 --> 00:02:09 think that there is going to be another season
00:02:09 --> 00:02:12 because there's, there's so much like what happens
00:02:12 --> 00:02:15 to Shin? What is Balin going for? You know, what's
00:02:15 --> 00:02:18 Thrawn about to do when he realizes that Anakin
00:02:18 --> 00:02:22 Skywalker's son is the person who overthrew the
00:02:22 --> 00:02:24 entire empire. Like it's, there's a, there's
00:02:24 --> 00:02:28 a lot there to kind of unpack. And, and that's
00:02:28 --> 00:02:30 basically some of the stuff. that I wanted to
00:02:30 --> 00:02:33 kind of hint at and talk about during this episode.
00:02:33 --> 00:02:37 The biggest thing that I really want to mention
00:02:37 --> 00:02:41 and start off with is Balan. I was very interested
00:02:41 --> 00:02:46 to see where his character was headed. We had
00:02:46 --> 00:02:48 the talk about how he's not a Sith, he's a Dark
00:02:48 --> 00:02:51 Jedi, and he did a lot of interesting things.
00:02:51 --> 00:02:53 I kind of saw, if I'm being honest with you,
00:02:53 --> 00:02:55 I kind of saw that coming with the Shin thing.
00:02:55 --> 00:02:59 I really did. Believe Bonk Bonk's prediction.
00:03:00 --> 00:03:03 in the bonus episode, last episode, about how
00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 he was saying that he thinks that he thought
00:03:06 --> 00:03:08 that Shin was going to kill Balon. And for a
00:03:08 --> 00:03:12 while, I really thought that, but more so, I
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 figured he was going to deviate from wherever
00:03:14 --> 00:03:16 Thrawn was headed. That was one thing that I
00:03:16 --> 00:03:19 felt like for sure was going to happen, and it
00:03:19 --> 00:03:21 ended up happening, and I thought that that was
00:03:21 --> 00:03:23 pretty cool. There's been a lot of speculation
00:03:23 --> 00:03:26 about what he's going after. I've seen all sorts
00:03:26 --> 00:03:30 of theories. I tend to stand... by the fact that
00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 because we got Anakin involved in this with the
00:03:33 --> 00:03:36 world between worlds and him assuming the role
00:03:36 --> 00:03:39 of the father and speculation that Ahsoka is
00:03:39 --> 00:03:44 the daughter, I really do think that he is seeking
00:03:44 --> 00:03:47 Abaloth. Is it even speculation that she's the
00:03:47 --> 00:03:50 daughter? Because she's got the life force of
00:03:50 --> 00:03:53 the daughter. Morai follows her around and we
00:03:53 --> 00:03:55 even see Morai at the end there. Like, is it
00:03:55 --> 00:03:58 really speculation that she's the daughter? Okay,
00:03:58 --> 00:04:00 then who's the son? You can't have the daughter
00:04:00 --> 00:04:02 without the son. That's what makes me - That's
00:04:02 --> 00:04:05 true, but the statues at the end indicate that
00:04:05 --> 00:04:08 the daughter is dead and the son, we assume he's
00:04:08 --> 00:04:10 dead. We know he's dead from what happened in
00:04:10 --> 00:04:14 the Clone Wars, but clearly he hasn't been like
00:04:14 --> 00:04:17 - reincarnated so we've got anakin is now the
00:04:17 --> 00:04:19 father we're saying he's the father ahsoka is
00:04:19 --> 00:04:22 the daughter and we they've both been like reincarnated
00:04:22 --> 00:04:25 dead and then become the thing because ahsoka
00:04:25 --> 00:04:28 did die so so i'm getting my star killer isn't
00:04:28 --> 00:04:30 i'm not saying anything about star killer i'm
00:04:30 --> 00:04:32 getting my star killer saying it only makes sense
00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 anything about star killer i don't care what
00:04:35 --> 00:04:36 you're not saying i'm getting my star killer
00:04:38 --> 00:04:40 but maybe we just haven't seen the son yet. Maybe
00:04:40 --> 00:04:43 he isn't born. Maybe Shin will be the son, or
00:04:43 --> 00:04:46 maybe Balin will take that role. I mean, Balin
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 is trying to be the father, clearly. We see that
00:04:49 --> 00:04:50 when he's standing on the father's hand. He's
00:04:50 --> 00:04:52 trying to take that role, the balance. We see,
00:04:52 --> 00:04:55 like, he's not as ambitious as Shin, and he's
00:04:55 --> 00:04:58 not as, like, calm and collected as Ahsoka is,
00:04:58 --> 00:05:00 at least after, you know, she worked with Anakin
00:05:00 --> 00:05:03 in The World Between Worlds. So he's definitely
00:05:03 --> 00:05:06 going for that middle ground balance. jedi but
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 dark dark jedi kind of thing but i don't think
00:05:09 --> 00:05:12 he's gonna obviously not gonna make the cut because
00:05:12 --> 00:05:15 anakin already has taken that role uh so potentially
00:05:15 --> 00:05:18 when he's like rejected or turned down or whatever
00:05:18 --> 00:05:20 maybe he'll maybe he'll get angry for the first
00:05:20 --> 00:05:22 time Maybe he'll show us some, like, you know,
00:05:22 --> 00:05:24 loss of composure. That'd be cool to see. Obviously,
00:05:25 --> 00:05:27 it's going to have to be recasted. Unfortunate,
00:05:27 --> 00:05:31 you know, R .I .P. But there's promise for where
00:05:31 --> 00:05:33 it could go from here. Yeah, that's true. And
00:05:33 --> 00:05:36 just to, like, kind of follow up on what I was
00:05:36 --> 00:05:38 saying before that little part is I really do
00:05:38 --> 00:05:40 think that he is seeking Aboloth or whatever.
00:05:41 --> 00:05:44 I don't know if Aboloth is going to be in canon.
00:05:45 --> 00:05:47 But I think he's seeking whatever the equivalent,
00:05:47 --> 00:05:51 whatever the force deity equivalent of Aboloth
00:05:51 --> 00:05:55 in canon would be. What is Aboloth? Aboloth was
00:05:55 --> 00:05:59 a force deity in the Legends timeline that was
00:05:59 --> 00:06:02 locked in the Maw, which is in the Kessel system.
00:06:02 --> 00:06:05 And it's a cluster of black holes that was moved
00:06:05 --> 00:06:09 there by Centerpoint Station to hold her in check.
00:06:09 --> 00:06:12 It's like literally a black hole prison. The
00:06:12 --> 00:06:15 only way to get into the Maw is to navigate through
00:06:15 --> 00:06:18 the cluster of black holes, which seems impossible,
00:06:18 --> 00:06:21 but Luke Skywalker did it with just the Force,
00:06:22 --> 00:06:24 and they found the Maw installation, which is
00:06:24 --> 00:06:28 like an area inside of this cluster that's somehow
00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 normal. They sent Admiral Dala there. She was
00:06:31 --> 00:06:35 the one who developed it. or help develop super
00:06:35 --> 00:06:37 weapons with Kwisux, who in the Legends timeline
00:06:37 --> 00:06:40 is who developed the Death Star, but they changed
00:06:40 --> 00:06:41 who developed the Death Star in Legends. And
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 so Aboloth was trapped in there during that time.
00:06:45 --> 00:06:48 She kind of messed with a lot of the young Jedi
00:06:48 --> 00:06:51 at the time, invading their mind and kind of
00:06:51 --> 00:06:52 planning herself in there so that they would
00:06:52 --> 00:06:56 seek her. And it ended up, she ended up terrorizing
00:06:56 --> 00:06:59 the galaxy. Luke ends up killing her four different
00:06:59 --> 00:07:02 times. Saba ends up... ripping her throat out
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 one time, which is still one of my favorite moments
00:07:04 --> 00:07:07 in the Legends timeline. And she's just a menace.
00:07:07 --> 00:07:10 But her whole story was that the father existed
00:07:10 --> 00:07:14 with... the daughter and the son and she came
00:07:14 --> 00:07:16 she was like a maid or something like a like
00:07:16 --> 00:07:18 a housemaiden or something um she became um one
00:07:18 --> 00:07:22 of them because of the she drank from the the
00:07:22 --> 00:07:24 well or the fountain of wisdom and power right
00:07:24 --> 00:07:26 she drank from both of them and got she became
00:07:26 --> 00:07:30 like them through the the fountains yes yes she
00:07:30 --> 00:07:32 did yeah and but she became corrupted by them
00:07:32 --> 00:07:36 and so the father saw that she was no longer
00:07:36 --> 00:07:38 the person that they had come to love as a part
00:07:38 --> 00:07:41 of their family. So they locked her away. She
00:07:41 --> 00:07:44 became a backdoor hoe, literally. And the son
00:07:44 --> 00:07:47 and the daughter were the keys to keeping her
00:07:47 --> 00:07:49 in prison. So they would once every, was it a
00:07:49 --> 00:07:51 couple hundred years, like 500 or was it a thousand?
00:07:52 --> 00:07:55 Every so often they would go to the Killiks and
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 they would, Killiks are like a hive mind insect
00:07:58 --> 00:08:01 like species. um they would go to the killix
00:08:01 --> 00:08:04 and they would mind meld they would merge their
00:08:04 --> 00:08:06 minds the son and daughter with the killix and
00:08:06 --> 00:08:08 they would like re -up the protections that were
00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 holding avaloth in place so when the son and
00:08:10 --> 00:08:14 daughter died in clone wars that was the catalyst
00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 for her being released from the prison like the
00:08:17 --> 00:08:19 initial catalyst and the reason that those children
00:08:19 --> 00:08:22 were affected uh and like drawn to her is because
00:08:22 --> 00:08:26 the the jedi hid the children In the Maw, they
00:08:26 --> 00:08:28 didn't know Abaloth was there. They hid them
00:08:28 --> 00:08:31 in the Maw, like, was it during Vong War, right?
00:08:32 --> 00:08:34 Yep, yep, it was during the Yuzan Vong War. Yeah,
00:08:34 --> 00:08:37 so it was during the Vong War, and then Abaloth
00:08:37 --> 00:08:39 was able to affect their minds because they're
00:08:39 --> 00:08:41 basically in the prison with her almost. Like,
00:08:41 --> 00:08:43 they're just outside the prison, outside the
00:08:43 --> 00:08:45 walls, so she was able to connect with them.
00:08:45 --> 00:08:48 And then they were drawn back through the Maw
00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 to try and, you know, release her, which obviously,
00:08:51 --> 00:08:53 eventually she is released and terrorizes the
00:08:53 --> 00:08:57 galaxy. She does pull a similar kind of thing
00:08:57 --> 00:08:58 to Palpatine where she tries to take over the
00:08:58 --> 00:09:01 Galactic Senate, but she's a little better at
00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 it because she can shape shift of sorts, like
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 take over people's bodies and shapes. So she
00:09:06 --> 00:09:08 is able to impersonate people, whereas Palps
00:09:08 --> 00:09:10 had to actually be himself. I think they both
00:09:10 --> 00:09:12 did it excellently. They had their own ways,
00:09:13 --> 00:09:15 but Abalos was definitely a lot of, I don't even
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 want to say sneaky. It was just a lot more straightforward,
00:09:18 --> 00:09:20 like if you knew what she was doing. Because
00:09:20 --> 00:09:22 Luke knew what she was doing. It was aggressive
00:09:22 --> 00:09:25 for sure. She was definitely like hardcore, we're
00:09:25 --> 00:09:27 taking over the galaxy right now kind of thing.
00:09:27 --> 00:09:30 Whereas Palpatine was like, I have a plan. Palpatine's
00:09:30 --> 00:09:33 plan spanned over like 17 years. She did it in
00:09:33 --> 00:09:36 a couple of months. She was like, I'm going for
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 it. But yeah, so yeah, I definitely think that
00:09:40 --> 00:09:43 he... was searching abeloth or whatever the canon
00:09:43 --> 00:09:45 equivalent would be there was also another theory
00:09:45 --> 00:09:48 that i read is that he's trying to pull a darth
00:09:48 --> 00:09:50 nihilist from uh knights of the old republic
00:09:50 --> 00:09:54 2 and destroy the force which i thought might
00:09:54 --> 00:09:58 be a little ostentatious of a theory however
00:09:58 --> 00:10:03 i i don't want to doubt anything because i have
00:10:03 --> 00:10:06 seen how disney will take and pull certain things
00:10:06 --> 00:10:10 from from legend stuff eu stuff and kind of you
00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 know, incorporate them. So I don't want to completely
00:10:12 --> 00:10:16 push that theory out of the thing. I don't think
00:10:16 --> 00:10:18 it's lightly likely, but I thought it was interesting
00:10:18 --> 00:10:21 to hear that. I like to, to see that, uh, that,
00:10:21 --> 00:10:24 that Baylor will be trying to destroy the forest.
00:10:24 --> 00:10:26 That, that would be, uh, that would be quite,
00:10:26 --> 00:10:28 that would be quite interesting if they actually
00:10:28 --> 00:10:30 did that. I would like to see how they would,
00:10:30 --> 00:10:32 they would push that, that through. I think,
00:10:32 --> 00:10:35 um, it's more likely than you're, I think you're
00:10:35 --> 00:10:38 underestimating the likeliness of that just because.
00:10:38 --> 00:10:41 i earlier in the series he did kind of the the
00:10:41 --> 00:10:44 way he was talking indicated that he was actually
00:10:44 --> 00:10:46 trying to destroy the force he was trying to
00:10:46 --> 00:10:48 end it all he was trying to to stop the cycle
00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 those were his words i believe are very close
00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 to his words so i do think You know, at the end,
00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 we see that blinking light in the distance, you
00:10:56 --> 00:10:58 know, surrounded by the mountain ranges, which
00:10:58 --> 00:11:01 does look eerily similar to how Mortis looked
00:11:01 --> 00:11:03 from, you know, zoomed out perspective. But I
00:11:03 --> 00:11:06 do think that it's not as farfetched as you think.
00:11:06 --> 00:11:08 If he's not looking for Abaloth or the equivalent,
00:11:09 --> 00:11:11 I do think he's looking for like the quote unquote
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 origin of the force and he is trying to end the
00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 force. Obviously, the Mortis gods were part of
00:11:17 --> 00:11:19 this galaxy, too, because their statues are there.
00:11:19 --> 00:11:21 They wouldn't be there if they didn't have some
00:11:21 --> 00:11:23 role in this galaxy. So potentially even Mortis
00:11:23 --> 00:11:26 was here or came from here. There's a lot of,
00:11:26 --> 00:11:28 you know, tie ins there. So it could be the origin
00:11:28 --> 00:11:30 of the force or it could, you know, the most
00:11:30 --> 00:11:32 evil thing we've ever seen. So I'm glad you mentioned
00:11:32 --> 00:11:35 that because that brings me to my next point,
00:11:36 --> 00:11:41 which is I have a theory that Mortis sort of
00:11:41 --> 00:11:45 functions like in a way. that possibly Zonama
00:11:45 --> 00:11:48 Seacott did. If you remember Zonama Seacott,
00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 the living planet from the Legends timeline.
00:11:50 --> 00:11:53 Yeah, give me a refresher on that one. So for
00:11:53 --> 00:11:55 those of you who don't know, Zonama Seacott was
00:11:55 --> 00:11:59 a force, a living planet, like a force -enriched
00:11:59 --> 00:12:01 planet that Obi -Wan and Anakin stumble upon
00:12:01 --> 00:12:05 about six years before the Clone Wars stops.
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 And there is a Jedi Knight there. Her name is
00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 Vergare. And this is the first, like, they're
00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 called the Outsiders. We see them attack the
00:12:14 --> 00:12:17 planet Zodama Seacott in this series. And they're
00:12:17 --> 00:12:19 called the Outsiders, but we found out later
00:12:19 --> 00:12:21 that those are indeed the Yuuzhan Vong. But what
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 was cool about this planet is that it had these
00:12:24 --> 00:12:27 seeds that would attach themselves to people
00:12:27 --> 00:12:30 who were going to have a ship. You had to have
00:12:30 --> 00:12:35 seeds to make a ship. Now, Anakin being... anakin
00:12:35 --> 00:12:39 he had nine seeds that attached to him which
00:12:39 --> 00:12:42 was unprecedented most people would have like
00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 two four would be the max but he had nine so
00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 that meant his ship that would be created from
00:12:47 --> 00:12:50 those seeds would just be like super powerful
00:12:50 --> 00:12:53 in the forest tied to him absolutely amazing
00:12:53 --> 00:12:56 it was a great story but basically the planet
00:12:56 --> 00:13:00 being a living planet also had like its own living
00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 hyperdrive that it could jump but it would destroy
00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 the planet briefly and because it's a planet
00:13:05 --> 00:13:08 jumping through hyperspace um and then it would
00:13:08 --> 00:13:10 sit there rest for a while and then you know
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 rebuild itself and so during the yuzhong vong
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 war they think that this planet since since the
00:13:15 --> 00:13:18 the whole thing about the vong is living technology
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 sort of it's not technology because they they
00:13:20 --> 00:13:22 they consider like technology an abomination
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 but this is like a living thing so they're okay
00:13:25 --> 00:13:28 with it they figured that the jedi at least figured
00:13:28 --> 00:13:30 that this planet has some connection to the vong
00:13:30 --> 00:13:34 and some secret to to defeating the vong so they
00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 go out and search for this planet That kind of
00:13:37 --> 00:13:39 moves around the galaxy. So it's really hard.
00:13:39 --> 00:13:42 So they had to go through archives in the Chiss
00:13:42 --> 00:13:45 ascendancy to try to figure out sightings of
00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 this planet, like where it had come from, where
00:13:47 --> 00:13:50 was it last seen, how long was it seen. So when
00:13:50 --> 00:13:53 I saw the fact that the Mortis statues were there,
00:13:53 --> 00:13:58 I was wondering if maybe the realm exists in
00:13:58 --> 00:14:01 kind of like the same way or in something similar,
00:14:01 --> 00:14:04 where it's like a realm that can move between
00:14:04 --> 00:14:07 galaxies that can go. from one place to another
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 or if it's just simply there's like a mortis
00:14:10 --> 00:14:13 outpost here there's a mortis outpost in the
00:14:13 --> 00:14:17 other galaxy there's mortis outposts across the
00:14:17 --> 00:14:20 star wars like universe and i those were the
00:14:20 --> 00:14:22 two theories that i came up with but i would
00:14:22 --> 00:14:23 i would think it would be really cool if they
00:14:23 --> 00:14:28 somehow tied in mortis's existence to zonama
00:14:28 --> 00:14:30 sikat because that would be really cool in my
00:14:30 --> 00:14:32 opinion because i love i loved the entire story
00:14:32 --> 00:14:35 of that how they tied in zonama sikat with vergare
00:14:35 --> 00:14:38 before the clone wars turn the outsiders into
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 the yuzang vong which we see in the new jedi
00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 order and so i i think it would be a really good
00:14:44 --> 00:14:46 tie -in to bring to the canon timeline i don't
00:14:46 --> 00:14:48 know if you had any thoughts on that yeah so
00:14:48 --> 00:14:50 And talking about those like ships, if you've
00:14:50 --> 00:14:52 ever played the game No Man's Sky, they have
00:14:52 --> 00:14:54 living ships that basically fit the bill. Anyone
00:14:54 --> 00:14:56 that's ever played that will kind of know what
00:14:56 --> 00:14:59 a living ship is. It's like that. But I just
00:14:59 --> 00:15:01 had another thought along the lines of like the
00:15:01 --> 00:15:05 moving planet and whatnot. What if the place
00:15:05 --> 00:15:09 that Balan is going to is actually where like
00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 the world between worlds is? What if that's like
00:15:11 --> 00:15:13 the engine for the world between worlds or even
00:15:13 --> 00:15:15 like the host? for the world between worlds so
00:15:15 --> 00:15:17 he's going to the physical location where the
00:15:17 --> 00:15:20 world between worlds like resides but you can
00:15:20 --> 00:15:22 access it from anywhere through the force or
00:15:22 --> 00:15:23 through those portals because they were tied
00:15:23 --> 00:15:26 to the mortis gods for instance that mural that
00:15:26 --> 00:15:29 ezra uh used maybe maybe that just gives you
00:15:29 --> 00:15:31 access to the physical place that is the the
00:15:31 --> 00:15:33 world between worlds and maybe that's where anakin
00:15:33 --> 00:15:36 is waiting i mean we did see anakin's ghost on
00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 the planet So he is capable of going to the other
00:15:39 --> 00:15:42 galaxy through the Force. I mean, why wouldn't
00:15:42 --> 00:15:44 he be able to? It's the Force. But maybe Balan's
00:15:44 --> 00:15:46 trying to destroy the world between worlds. I
00:15:46 --> 00:15:50 feel like that theory has some credibility for
00:15:50 --> 00:15:53 sure. Absolutely. I also think that in regards
00:15:53 --> 00:15:58 to the planet itself, the planet has to have
00:15:58 --> 00:16:03 some kind of significance passed when Thrawn
00:16:03 --> 00:16:06 leaves. Just by the fact that... The Nightsisters
00:16:06 --> 00:16:09 are there. The Nightsisters wanted to escape.
00:16:09 --> 00:16:11 They were running away from something. They were
00:16:11 --> 00:16:13 afraid. There was like a darkness on the planet
00:16:13 --> 00:16:16 that they were trying to get away from. They
00:16:16 --> 00:16:18 kind of mention it very briefly when they're
00:16:18 --> 00:16:19 talking to Thrawn. Oh, I might have missed that.
00:16:19 --> 00:16:22 Okay. And all those little stasis pods, I think
00:16:22 --> 00:16:25 those are Nightsisters because they mentioned
00:16:25 --> 00:16:28 that Thrawn woke up the three that he woke up
00:16:28 --> 00:16:31 from stasis. So they were in stasis. And then
00:16:31 --> 00:16:33 I think all those other pods are other sisters.
00:16:33 --> 00:16:36 And they're trying to get their people away from
00:16:36 --> 00:16:38 whatever scared them enough that the AA went
00:16:38 --> 00:16:40 into stasis and B are trying to escape to a completely
00:16:40 --> 00:16:43 different galaxy. They're afraid of something,
00:16:43 --> 00:16:45 and Thrawn also does not want to deal with whatever
00:16:45 --> 00:16:47 it is they're afraid of. That just makes me think
00:16:47 --> 00:16:50 that it's more reason to believe that it's Aboloth,
00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 because Aboloth was this scary f***ing creature.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 Right, exactly. Like, there's definite signs
00:16:56 --> 00:16:59 that it is something big and important and scary.
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 I was just going to ask, where do the sisters
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 draw their power from? Is it the Force, or is
00:17:04 --> 00:17:07 it something else entirely? It's still the Force.
00:17:07 --> 00:17:11 It's just the way that they... channel the force
00:17:11 --> 00:17:14 is more through like spells not not quite alchemy
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 um it's just a it's like there are different
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 interpretations throughout the star wars universe
00:17:19 --> 00:17:23 on how to be a conduit of the force so you have
00:17:23 --> 00:17:27 like the jinsari you have the falanasi you have
00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 the jedi you have the witches of dathomir and
00:17:30 --> 00:17:32 you also have the night sisters which the witches
00:17:32 --> 00:17:33 of dathomir and the night sisters are basically
00:17:33 --> 00:17:37 the same thing just kind of like a very small
00:17:37 --> 00:17:40 tiny difference but it's it's just they are force
00:17:40 --> 00:17:44 users they just the culture of which they come
00:17:44 --> 00:17:47 from affects how they are a conduit to the force
00:17:47 --> 00:17:50 i think like uh warlocks sorcerers wizards that
00:17:50 --> 00:17:53 kind of thing from from like dungeons and dragons
00:17:53 --> 00:17:54 you know the difference between between those
00:17:54 --> 00:17:56 some are like more innate some use the spells
00:17:56 --> 00:17:58 that kind of thing i think it's more like that
00:17:58 --> 00:18:00 they all use magic of some kind but they have
00:18:00 --> 00:18:03 different ways of accessing it. So yeah, I always
00:18:03 --> 00:18:05 call them the b****es of Dathomir, especially
00:18:05 --> 00:18:08 after playing Jedi Fallen Order and just because
00:18:08 --> 00:18:10 of some of the stuff that they do in the series.
00:18:10 --> 00:18:12 But yeah, they're still Force users. They're
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 more aligned with the dark side. That is their
00:18:15 --> 00:18:17 thing. So like the different, I guess, factions,
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 Force factions, you can call them. So like the
00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 witches of Dathomir, the Nightsisters, they lean
00:18:23 --> 00:18:25 more towards the dark side. The Jedi and the
00:18:25 --> 00:18:28 Fallen Aussie lean more toward... the light side,
00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 or in the Fallen Ossies case, the white current.
00:18:31 --> 00:18:33 And then the Jinsari are like somewhere in between.
00:18:34 --> 00:18:36 They're like more gray. So they all kind of have
00:18:36 --> 00:18:39 their leanings. One other thing that I kind of
00:18:39 --> 00:18:44 wanted to mention, because I thought it was so
00:18:44 --> 00:18:47 funny that, what was it, episode, I think it
00:18:47 --> 00:18:49 was episode four, when we get Ahsoka the White,
00:18:50 --> 00:18:53 like in the white robes, that everyone just started
00:18:53 --> 00:18:55 calling her Ahsoka the White. And I sat there
00:18:55 --> 00:18:57 and I was thinking, I was talking to my friend
00:18:57 --> 00:19:01 Gabby about this and I was like, did they rip
00:19:01 --> 00:19:04 off Tolkien that hard? And we were sitting there
00:19:04 --> 00:19:05 and talking about it. And I was thinking, I was
00:19:05 --> 00:19:08 like, I mean, yeah, technically, because it was
00:19:08 --> 00:19:12 Ahsoka. She fell into like an abyss into the
00:19:12 --> 00:19:14 ocean and then came back the white. And I was
00:19:14 --> 00:19:16 just thinking about like Gandalf, like he was
00:19:16 --> 00:19:19 like, run, you fools fell into the chasm and
00:19:19 --> 00:19:22 came back Gandalf the white. I was like, Star
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 Wars literally ripped off Lord of the Rings.
00:19:26 --> 00:19:27 And if you, if you look at the episode title
00:19:27 --> 00:19:30 for episode eight, the Jedi, the witch and the
00:19:30 --> 00:19:32 warlord, that's a hundred percent. It's a tie
00:19:32 --> 00:19:35 to Narnia and Lewis and Tolkien were good friends.
00:19:35 --> 00:19:38 Like it's all a tie in there. They were good
00:19:38 --> 00:19:40 friends. They were buddies. So like Tolkien,
00:19:40 --> 00:19:43 you know, Narnia, that kind of stuff. It's all,
00:19:43 --> 00:19:46 it's all tied in right there. Yeah. Beautiful
00:19:46 --> 00:19:50 culmination of sci -fi love. It was, it was,
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 it was so funny. I said, I was just sitting there
00:19:53 --> 00:19:55 thinking, I was like, huh? Yeah. Yeah. They,
00:19:55 --> 00:19:57 they definitely ripped off Lord of the Rings.
00:19:58 --> 00:20:00 It was pretty good. What did you think about
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 Ezra's new lightsaber incorporating that identical
00:20:03 --> 00:20:07 piece that. Oh, the, the Canaan emitter. I love
00:20:07 --> 00:20:10 that. That, that warmed my heart. It almost brought
00:20:10 --> 00:20:12 a tear to my eyes, especially when I forget what
00:20:12 --> 00:20:15 the droid's name is, but he, oh yeah. He was
00:20:15 --> 00:20:18 like, I only had one left for when he came back.
00:20:18 --> 00:20:21 And I was like. I thought that was a very touching
00:20:21 --> 00:20:26 moment in the series. He did it so fast. Oh,
00:20:26 --> 00:20:32 let's talk about how much faith Ezra has in Sabine.
00:20:32 --> 00:20:36 Because the first time she ever uses the Force,
00:20:37 --> 00:20:40 she's using it in assistance to push open a door.
00:20:40 --> 00:20:43 And they get it open. But then immediately she's
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 like, alright, jump over this... this big ass
00:20:46 --> 00:20:48 gap onto that Star Destroyer and I'm going to
00:20:48 --> 00:20:50 push you. I would have been like, please, you
00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 just got your force powers. I am not about to
00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 let you do this. But the faith that he had, and
00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 she pulled it off too. I was so proud of her.
00:20:58 --> 00:21:00 That was awesome. That was honestly awesome.
00:21:00 --> 00:21:02 I really liked that. And I didn't think it was
00:21:02 --> 00:21:06 too far -fetched because in episode five, Empire
00:21:06 --> 00:21:09 Strikes Back, we see Luke struggle to pull his
00:21:09 --> 00:21:12 lightsaber out of the snow as the Yeti. I forget
00:21:12 --> 00:21:14 the name of the Yeti. He's coming after him,
00:21:14 --> 00:21:16 right? Oh, the Wampa? Yeah, the Wampa is coming
00:21:16 --> 00:21:18 after him in the cave and he's struggling to
00:21:18 --> 00:21:21 get that lightsaber. And his life, the closer
00:21:21 --> 00:21:24 his life is to being in danger, the more he's
00:21:24 --> 00:21:26 able to pull it. And eventually he gets it, cuts
00:21:26 --> 00:21:29 himself free and defeats the Wampa. Well, Sabine,
00:21:29 --> 00:21:32 same thing. She's getting choked out. She hasn't
00:21:32 --> 00:21:33 been able to use the force so far, trying to
00:21:33 --> 00:21:35 like meditate and concentrate and that kind of
00:21:35 --> 00:21:37 thing. But when her life is in danger, she's
00:21:37 --> 00:21:40 able to access the force. She's able to bring
00:21:40 --> 00:21:42 the lightsaber to herself to save herself in
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 her like. I'm of greatest need. But then she
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 has the feel for it. Now she's like, oh, that's
00:21:46 --> 00:21:48 what the force feels like. Okay, I think I can
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 use it to push. You know, I did it. I did a pull.
00:21:50 --> 00:21:53 Let's try a push. When you've done something
00:21:53 --> 00:21:55 for the first time correctly, you kind of get
00:21:55 --> 00:21:57 a feel for it. And then you can like replicate,
00:21:57 --> 00:21:59 do it again, that kind of thing. That's the repetition
00:21:59 --> 00:22:00 makes, you know, practice makes perfect kind
00:22:00 --> 00:22:03 of deal. Like riding a bike. Yeah. So exactly.
00:22:03 --> 00:22:05 Once you take off the training wheels and you
00:22:05 --> 00:22:06 start going the first time and all of a sudden
00:22:06 --> 00:22:08 you're pedaling down the street and your dad's
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 screaming in the background like, yeah, you know,
00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 same kind of thing. You get a feel for it and
00:22:12 --> 00:22:14 then you can keep going, keep going. So she just
00:22:14 --> 00:22:15 kept up that momentum and pushed him across.
00:22:15 --> 00:22:17 I thought it was I didn't think it was too far
00:22:17 --> 00:22:19 fetched. No, I didn't think it was far fetched
00:22:19 --> 00:22:21 at all. I just think if I was just saying Ezra
00:22:21 --> 00:22:22 has a lot of faith in her because ain't no way
00:22:22 --> 00:22:25 I'm I'm gonna let a new push me across a ledge
00:22:25 --> 00:22:28 like that. Ain't no way. But I'm sorry. Did he
00:22:28 --> 00:22:30 even know? Did he even know? Did she tell him
00:22:30 --> 00:22:32 that she was weak in the force? I don't think
00:22:32 --> 00:22:34 she did. So he was just like, oh, she's been
00:22:34 --> 00:22:36 training. She's been training with Ahsoka. She
00:22:36 --> 00:22:39 must know what she's doing. Maybe, but the way
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 that he was talking to her before made it seem
00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 like he also knew. When they were like discussing
00:22:43 --> 00:22:47 it with the, I forget what the race of, the Nodi,
00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 is that what they're called? The Nodi, yeah,
00:22:49 --> 00:22:53 yeah. Yeah, I think he knew. I think he knew.
00:22:53 --> 00:22:55 Also, that's the kind of thing like a Jedi would
00:22:55 --> 00:22:57 pick up on if someone's like not strong in the
00:22:57 --> 00:22:59 force. I guess maybe he just picked up on the
00:22:59 --> 00:23:01 fact that she had tapped into it finally and
00:23:01 --> 00:23:04 was now like understanding things. And she lets
00:23:04 --> 00:23:08 go of her like attachment to Ezra there, which
00:23:08 --> 00:23:10 I thought was a great redeeming moment for her,
00:23:10 --> 00:23:13 especially after we had just gotten the speech
00:23:13 --> 00:23:15 or the, you know, the little talk from Ahsoka
00:23:15 --> 00:23:18 where she's like, my master always stood by me
00:23:18 --> 00:23:19 no matter what mistakes I made. no matter what
00:23:19 --> 00:23:21 choices i made and he was the only one that stood
00:23:21 --> 00:23:24 by me so i'm gonna stand by you even though you
00:23:24 --> 00:23:28 messed up and sabine realizes like yeah i really
00:23:28 --> 00:23:31 wanted to see ezra that was my the thing holding
00:23:31 --> 00:23:33 me back but now i've saved ezra i've seen him
00:23:33 --> 00:23:36 i'm sending him home now my place is here with
00:23:36 --> 00:23:38 my master i'm here to learn i'm ready to to become
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 what i'm meant to be and i think that's why she
00:23:40 --> 00:23:42 senses or maybe even sees i don't know if she
00:23:42 --> 00:23:45 sees but senses uh anakin's ghost there Because
00:23:45 --> 00:23:48 she's kind of become part of that legacy. You
00:23:48 --> 00:23:52 know, Anakin, Yoda, Dooku, Obi -Wan, Qui -Gon.
00:23:52 --> 00:23:54 She's become part of that legacy and now she's
00:23:54 --> 00:23:57 let go. She's becoming the Jedi that she was
00:23:57 --> 00:23:59 being trained to be. I will say, not necessarily
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 the plot points that they closed, but the stuff
00:24:01 --> 00:24:03 that they did kind of round out towards the end
00:24:03 --> 00:24:06 there were done really well. I was so happy to
00:24:06 --> 00:24:08 get to see Hayden Christensen again at the end
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 as another Force ghost. Like I said, one of the
00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 things that we never got in the Legends timeline
00:24:13 --> 00:24:15 was Anakin. Anakin as a force ghost. We got him
00:24:15 --> 00:24:17 that one time when he apologized to Leia and
00:24:17 --> 00:24:20 that was it. Now we've seen him multiple times.
00:24:20 --> 00:24:22 It just, it makes me happy. It makes me think
00:24:22 --> 00:24:25 that they're going to have more tie -ins with
00:24:25 --> 00:24:28 him. I really want him to come out the way, okay,
00:24:28 --> 00:24:33 so in episode five, when Obi -Wan and Yoda are
00:24:33 --> 00:24:37 talking and Yoda is, Obi -Wan's like, he was
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 our last hope. And Yoda's like, no, there is
00:24:39 --> 00:24:43 another. I really want Anakin to come out. to
00:24:43 --> 00:24:45 ahsoka or something and be like i was the only
00:24:45 --> 00:24:48 one you trained and then he'd be like no there
00:24:48 --> 00:24:50 is another and then that's when we get star killer
00:24:50 --> 00:24:53 and the sun and i'll be happy and then i rub
00:24:53 --> 00:24:56 it in your face and call you a little if it happens
00:24:56 --> 00:25:01 i'll eat my words yet again i'll take the fall
00:25:02 --> 00:25:06 I look, I only derive happiness when I can get
00:25:06 --> 00:25:07 you to eat your words. It's just a beautiful
00:25:07 --> 00:25:10 moment, man. Like, I don't I don't mind being
00:25:10 --> 00:25:12 wrong. Actually, I prefer to be wrong because
00:25:12 --> 00:25:14 some of my theories I hate and then I'm right.
00:25:14 --> 00:25:16 And then it makes me sad because I didn't want
00:25:16 --> 00:25:18 it to be true. I just they're never they're never
00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 going to make Stark Starkiller canon. They couldn't.
00:25:21 --> 00:25:25 He was too broken. So even in the Legends timeline,
00:25:26 --> 00:25:32 the Force Unleashed 2 was not canon. The Force
00:25:32 --> 00:25:34 Unleashed, the first one was. The second one
00:25:34 --> 00:25:36 was just a game that they made for money, and
00:25:36 --> 00:25:38 it was a cool story. But the first one actually
00:25:38 --> 00:25:41 is canon to the Legends, if that makes sense.
00:25:41 --> 00:25:44 But I just think he would be too... They would
00:25:44 --> 00:25:46 have to nerf him hardcore if they wanted to make
00:25:46 --> 00:25:49 him an actual character. So I don't think that
00:25:49 --> 00:25:51 he'll actually be, I mean, I'm a still hope,
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 but. I think the Inquisitors were meant to be
00:25:53 --> 00:25:56 Starkiller's replacement in canon. I think the
00:25:56 --> 00:25:59 Inquisitors were what they decided to go with
00:25:59 --> 00:26:02 instead of giving Vader an apprentice. Just give
00:26:02 --> 00:26:05 him the Inquisitors, let him kill him off as
00:26:05 --> 00:26:08 need be. Same kind of vibes, like I'm way better
00:26:08 --> 00:26:10 than you. And as soon as you fail me, you're
00:26:10 --> 00:26:14 gone, you're cut, literally. I don't think they'll
00:26:14 --> 00:26:16 bring in Starkiller. I don't have high hopes
00:26:16 --> 00:26:18 for Starkiller. Will they bring in Sam Witwer
00:26:18 --> 00:26:21 to voice something? Probably. Absolutely. He's
00:26:21 --> 00:26:24 too good at what he does. That is a beautiful
00:26:24 --> 00:26:28 man. Exactly. He's great in everything he's done
00:26:28 --> 00:26:31 for Star Wars. And I hope we see him some more.
00:26:31 --> 00:26:35 What did you think about Morgan? Morgan's level
00:26:35 --> 00:26:38 up there at the end. Okay, so my favorite part
00:26:38 --> 00:26:41 of that whole thing with Morgan Elsbeth was the
00:26:41 --> 00:26:45 sword itself. Because if you know anything about
00:26:45 --> 00:26:48 the Jedi of 25 years before that time, before
00:26:48 --> 00:26:50 lightsabers were a thing, when people were still
00:26:50 --> 00:26:53 shooting bullets in the Star Wars universe, they
00:26:53 --> 00:26:58 had force -imbued swords. And it really made
00:26:58 --> 00:27:01 me think about that. the sword of Talzin and
00:27:01 --> 00:27:05 like that time period of way back when, which
00:27:05 --> 00:27:08 is also another thing that makes me think that
00:27:08 --> 00:27:11 like Aboloth or some kind of force deity is coming
00:27:11 --> 00:27:13 because force imbued swords are something that
00:27:13 --> 00:27:17 have been gone for tens of thousands of years.
00:27:17 --> 00:27:20 And I don't know that exactly that it's a force
00:27:20 --> 00:27:22 imbued sword, but I mean, it seems like it would
00:27:22 --> 00:27:24 be like, what else would it be like a dark, even
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 if it's like a dark energy, it's still a... power
00:27:27 --> 00:27:32 -infused sword, which is not iconic to that time
00:27:32 --> 00:27:35 period, but the time period of the High Republic,
00:27:35 --> 00:27:38 whatever you want to call it at this point, even
00:27:38 --> 00:27:40 before the High Republic, actually. This was
00:27:40 --> 00:27:43 when Jedi and Sith were still together as just
00:27:43 --> 00:27:45 Force users before they split off into factions.
00:27:46 --> 00:27:50 So I really love that scene. I really enjoyed
00:27:50 --> 00:27:54 the fight choreography between her and Ahsoka
00:27:54 --> 00:27:58 as well. But I... Plot armor is a bitch sometimes
00:27:58 --> 00:28:01 because ain't no way I'm sitting there with a
00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 force imbued sword versus like my quote unquote
00:28:04 --> 00:28:08 mortal enemy and letting two little Padawans.
00:28:09 --> 00:28:12 Actually, is Ezra a knight? Did Ezra ever get
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 knighted? Yeah, he's full knight. Okay, so see
00:28:15 --> 00:28:17 two little weaklings. He's a Boken Jedi. They
00:28:17 --> 00:28:20 use that term, Boken Jedi. He's a Boken Jedi.
00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 He is a full Jedi, but he is trained non -traditionally.
00:28:24 --> 00:28:25 Yeah, so there's no way I let those two walk
00:28:25 --> 00:28:28 behind me, walk past me. You know, we've seen
00:28:28 --> 00:28:31 that happen before, though. We've seen, like...
00:28:32 --> 00:28:34 somebody you know is like i got this and then
00:28:34 --> 00:28:36 the other person runs off we see that a lot in
00:28:36 --> 00:28:38 star wars they like their one -on -ones uh they
00:28:38 --> 00:28:41 they do those quite often i do like that morgan
00:28:41 --> 00:28:46 was able to destroy one of ahsoka's sabers i
00:28:46 --> 00:28:48 i think it showed her skill and we've seen her
00:28:48 --> 00:28:51 skill before we saw that she was really good
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 with that beskar spear back in the mandalorian
00:28:53 --> 00:28:56 so we saw like a preview of her actually being
00:28:56 --> 00:28:59 a warrior she's not just a force -wielding witch
00:28:59 --> 00:29:02 lady or witch descendant she actually had some
00:29:02 --> 00:29:04 skill you know in hand -to -hand combat so i
00:29:04 --> 00:29:07 wasn't too incredulous at the fact that she was
00:29:07 --> 00:29:09 going toe -to -toe with ahsoka because we've
00:29:09 --> 00:29:11 seen her do it before and now she has more powers
00:29:11 --> 00:29:14 more abilities the force is flowing through her
00:29:14 --> 00:29:16 her sword is glowing green with the night sister
00:29:16 --> 00:29:18 magic i mean she's she's definitely got some
00:29:18 --> 00:29:21 some powerful tools on her side Plus the zombie
00:29:21 --> 00:29:24 troopers. The zombie troopers was really cool.
00:29:24 --> 00:29:26 Shout out to Joe Schreiber, one of my favorite
00:29:26 --> 00:29:30 Star Wars authors, for doing the Death Troopers
00:29:30 --> 00:29:33 book. It only reminded me of that. I was actually
00:29:33 --> 00:29:36 so happy to see that. Why didn't they just cut
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 their limbs off and stuff? Come on, Disney. Just
00:29:38 --> 00:29:42 cut off the heads. Stop hitting them in places
00:29:42 --> 00:29:44 that aren't going to be fatal, quote unquote,
00:29:44 --> 00:29:47 to a zombie. Cut off their legs so they can't
00:29:47 --> 00:29:50 come after you. No one ever explained zombie.
00:29:50 --> 00:29:54 zombie theory crafting to the jedi of the star
00:29:54 --> 00:29:57 wars universe apparently blasters didn't even
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59 leave a mark on the zombies either because like
00:29:59 --> 00:30:03 i was watching some of it and it just it hit
00:30:03 --> 00:30:05 them they go down you wouldn't even see like
00:30:05 --> 00:30:08 burn mark or anything so i did not notice that
00:30:08 --> 00:30:10 i didn't notice that they didn't have the burn
00:30:10 --> 00:30:11 marks i mean obviously noticed that they didn't
00:30:11 --> 00:30:14 really go down but i didn't i didn't notice that
00:30:14 --> 00:30:15 they didn't have burn marks that's an interesting
00:30:16 --> 00:30:19 Interesting point. Those two actual death troopers,
00:30:19 --> 00:30:22 the ones in black armor, which I think was either
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 Beskar or Cortosis because of the sound it made
00:30:25 --> 00:30:27 when they got hit. Them being zombies was cool.
00:30:27 --> 00:30:31 Watching a death trooper with half a face choking
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 out Sabine, like that's a crazy, crazy scary
00:30:34 --> 00:30:37 scene right there. I mean, I would be terrified
00:30:37 --> 00:30:38 if there's a dude with a half a face and his
00:30:38 --> 00:30:41 like guts and tongue and throat and everything
00:30:41 --> 00:30:43 are just like dripping out of his helmet. That's
00:30:43 --> 00:30:46 disgusting. It's also my new - Yeah, that's my
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 new kink. It's my new kink. Are you telling me
00:30:48 --> 00:30:50 you wouldn't want to get choked out by a zombie?
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 Nah, I'm going to pass on that one, chief. I'm
00:30:54 --> 00:30:56 not. That's a way to go. It's death on death.
00:30:57 --> 00:31:01 Delicious. What do you think Shin's plan or Shin's
00:31:01 --> 00:31:04 next steps are when she ended up at that raider
00:31:04 --> 00:31:07 camp and raised her saber? You think she was
00:31:07 --> 00:31:09 trying to take over the camp? You think she was
00:31:09 --> 00:31:10 trying to join the camp and telling them she
00:31:10 --> 00:31:12 was a friend or something? What do you think
00:31:12 --> 00:31:14 she was doing? 100 % take over. Yeah, I think
00:31:14 --> 00:31:16 she's about to slaughter them, honestly. I think
00:31:16 --> 00:31:18 she's about to pull an Anakin v. Tusken Raiders.
00:31:19 --> 00:31:21 She's like, you failed me. I'm about to kill
00:31:21 --> 00:31:23 all of you. We should have taken them out, and
00:31:23 --> 00:31:25 now I look bad. I didn't think that she was going
00:31:25 --> 00:31:29 to get left, honestly. I did. I did. When she
00:31:29 --> 00:31:31 ran away from that fight with Ahsoka, I was like,
00:31:31 --> 00:31:33 oh, she's gone. She's done. She's stuck here
00:31:33 --> 00:31:35 on this planet. She's going to have to go find
00:31:35 --> 00:31:38 Balon again and be like, please, master, please,
00:31:38 --> 00:31:39 let me join you. He's going to be like, you're
00:31:39 --> 00:31:42 too ambitious. Or maybe Bonk Bonk's theory is
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 correct and she's going to go back and find him
00:31:44 --> 00:31:46 and be upset because she's stuck on the planet
00:31:46 --> 00:31:50 and finally kill him. Yeah. That's totally viable.
00:31:50 --> 00:31:52 The question is, you know, she was given the
00:31:52 --> 00:31:56 offer to join Ahsoka and then maybe that will
00:31:56 --> 00:31:58 be the thing. Maybe she's like torn in the next
00:31:58 --> 00:32:01 season. Maybe she's... torn between choosing
00:32:01 --> 00:32:04 being you know composed and light side or just
00:32:04 --> 00:32:07 full ambition power i want it all kind of thing
00:32:07 --> 00:32:10 it was tough watching her get abandoned by her
00:32:10 --> 00:32:12 master when clearly she's like super attached
00:32:12 --> 00:32:15 to him she doesn't do anything without his permission
00:32:15 --> 00:32:17 anytime she's confused about anything she asks
00:32:17 --> 00:32:20 him a question about it she's she's very tied
00:32:20 --> 00:32:22 to her master and the fact that he's just like
00:32:22 --> 00:32:25 go off don't be uh too hasty good luck And just
00:32:25 --> 00:32:27 drops her right there. I mean, that's got to
00:32:27 --> 00:32:30 be tough for somebody. Especially in a different
00:32:30 --> 00:32:33 galaxy. Like, no way home except for Thrawn.
00:32:33 --> 00:32:35 And he's trying to leave. Yeah, dude. I get freaked
00:32:35 --> 00:32:37 out when I get left at a Walmart five miles from
00:32:37 --> 00:32:39 my house. Can't imagine being in a whole different
00:32:39 --> 00:32:44 galaxy. Yeah, that'd be terrifying. I think she
00:32:44 --> 00:32:47 might pull a Zek. Because Zek was with the Shadow
00:32:47 --> 00:32:49 Academy for a while. Like, very firmly on the
00:32:49 --> 00:32:54 dark side. And then, like, got... redeemed and
00:32:54 --> 00:32:57 still couldn't be with the Jedi so he does his
00:32:57 --> 00:33:00 own like kind of soul searching goes through
00:33:00 --> 00:33:02 the motions of different stuff that he wants
00:33:02 --> 00:33:04 to be and then eventually comes back I think
00:33:04 --> 00:33:05 it would be cool if she did something like that
00:33:05 --> 00:33:08 like because she is firmly on the dark side right
00:33:08 --> 00:33:10 now for the most part or at least teetering uh
00:33:10 --> 00:33:13 from there and now she's confused so she has
00:33:13 --> 00:33:16 no more direction and like you said Ahsoka did
00:33:16 --> 00:33:19 leave that offer out there for her And so it's
00:33:19 --> 00:33:22 very possible that, you know, she considers it,
00:33:22 --> 00:33:24 at least tries to change her direction, but ultimately
00:33:24 --> 00:33:26 ends up doing that. So I would believe that because
00:33:26 --> 00:33:29 I mean, if Zek can do it, then so can she. Because
00:33:29 --> 00:33:32 I feel like Zek was farther gone than she is
00:33:32 --> 00:33:35 right now because Zek killed a bunch of people,
00:33:35 --> 00:33:38 attacked Yavin 4 with the Second Imperium and
00:33:38 --> 00:33:42 the Shadow Academy. So we don't have any like
00:33:42 --> 00:33:45 history of what she's done. So she could be like
00:33:45 --> 00:33:48 firmly. on that path we've only seen her do a
00:33:48 --> 00:33:51 few things like choking out sabine you know in
00:33:51 --> 00:33:53 retaliation for getting her butt whooped and
00:33:53 --> 00:33:55 then attacking you know ahsoka and them and being
00:33:55 --> 00:33:57 hasty about it but i don't we haven't really
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 seen her do a ton she would have been very out
00:34:00 --> 00:34:03 of place if she had gone back the the night sisters
00:34:04 --> 00:34:06 and her were not getting along there were definitely
00:34:06 --> 00:34:09 tension vibes going on there and i don't think
00:34:09 --> 00:34:12 thrawn honestly wanted her back i think he thinks
00:34:12 --> 00:34:16 the jedi and sith both are just uh too volatile
00:34:16 --> 00:34:19 too unpredictable for him to use as like effective
00:34:19 --> 00:34:22 tools in his plan the sisters are different because
00:34:22 --> 00:34:24 he has something they want which is a way back
00:34:24 --> 00:34:26 to the galaxy and now they're kind of indebted
00:34:26 --> 00:34:28 to him because he's bringing them to dathomir
00:34:28 --> 00:34:31 and whatnot but Shin, I mean, he could send her
00:34:31 --> 00:34:33 on a mission and she could just say, no, peace.
00:34:33 --> 00:34:34 I'm going to turn, you know, I'm going to give
00:34:34 --> 00:34:36 all your plans up. I'm actually going to go to
00:34:36 --> 00:34:39 the good side. I've changed my mind. I'm a Jedi
00:34:39 --> 00:34:41 now. They're just too unpredictable for Thrawn
00:34:41 --> 00:34:44 to use. And Thrawn would not like a tool like
00:34:44 --> 00:34:45 that. And he does think of everyone as tools.
00:34:46 --> 00:34:48 Everyone is just a tool in his toolbox, like
00:34:48 --> 00:34:51 those stormtroopers and whatnot. And, you know,
00:34:51 --> 00:34:53 I'm actually glad that you brought him up, too,
00:34:53 --> 00:34:55 because he's what I kind of want to, like the
00:34:55 --> 00:34:58 last topic that I want to talk about for today
00:34:58 --> 00:35:03 is. just Thrawn as like, we get to see his true,
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 like, like not, not his true military might,
00:35:05 --> 00:35:08 but a glimpse at how smart he is. The guy will
00:35:08 --> 00:35:11 take a calculated loss and even like an uncalculated
00:35:11 --> 00:35:16 loss, not flinch for a moment and still make
00:35:16 --> 00:35:19 the best possible plan. Now he did flinch at
00:35:19 --> 00:35:22 the one moment when he found out who, who Ahsoka's
00:35:22 --> 00:35:25 master was, which is why I'm excited to see him
00:35:25 --> 00:35:27 get back to the other galaxy and find out about
00:35:27 --> 00:35:31 Luke. But. I mean, absolute like tactical genius.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:34 That's something that I've always admired about
00:35:34 --> 00:35:38 Thrawn. And I want him to get back to the universe,
00:35:39 --> 00:35:42 link up with Palaean. Like we know he does in
00:35:42 --> 00:35:46 Legends. I want to see the Imperial Remnant,
00:35:46 --> 00:35:48 the First Order, whatever you call it. I want
00:35:48 --> 00:35:52 to see what happens, like how the First Order
00:35:52 --> 00:35:55 comes about completely or how Thrawn influences
00:35:55 --> 00:35:58 the First Order or what happens to the Imperial
00:35:58 --> 00:36:00 Remnant. Because one thing that I loved about
00:36:00 --> 00:36:03 the Legends timeline was the redemption of the
00:36:03 --> 00:36:06 Empire. You know, same thing happens. They get
00:36:06 --> 00:36:10 fractured after Palpatine goes kaput. There's
00:36:10 --> 00:36:12 a bunch of warlords trying to claim territory.
00:36:13 --> 00:36:15 Moff's going crazy. Thrawn comes back and get
00:36:15 --> 00:36:19 them under one flag once again, but then he gets
00:36:19 --> 00:36:22 defeated eventually. So they splinter again,
00:36:22 --> 00:36:25 go off to their own imperial remnant and kind
00:36:25 --> 00:36:28 of adopt a policy of isolationism as far as the
00:36:28 --> 00:36:32 galaxy is concerned. When the threat of the Vong
00:36:32 --> 00:36:35 comes back, because Pelayan is such a smart man
00:36:35 --> 00:36:39 and learned from Thrawn, is willing to forego
00:36:39 --> 00:36:43 the Imperial history to form the Galactic Alliance,
00:36:43 --> 00:36:47 one like no iteration of the galaxy had ever
00:36:47 --> 00:36:50 seen before. That was something that I loved
00:36:50 --> 00:36:53 about the Empire, and I want to see if something
00:36:53 --> 00:36:56 similar will happen in canon. Because if that
00:36:56 --> 00:36:59 did, that would be, I mean, that would feel like...
00:36:59 --> 00:37:02 total complete fulfillment for me as far as the
00:37:02 --> 00:37:04 the empire is concerned i would love to see that
00:37:04 --> 00:37:07 i think i think it would have to be during ray's
00:37:07 --> 00:37:10 movie the future yeah oh absolutely absolutely
00:37:11 --> 00:37:13 Yeah, we've seen the First Order fall. We've
00:37:13 --> 00:37:16 seen that they're not going to join with the
00:37:16 --> 00:37:18 New Republic. Obviously, they try and, you know,
00:37:18 --> 00:37:20 take over, destroy. They destroy like five inner
00:37:20 --> 00:37:22 core planets. I mean, they're definitely not
00:37:22 --> 00:37:25 friends at all. And I don't think Thrawn would
00:37:25 --> 00:37:27 ever kind of go that route either. It would have
00:37:27 --> 00:37:30 to be in Rey's timeline that there's some galactic
00:37:30 --> 00:37:32 threat that needs to be dealt with. We'll see.
00:37:32 --> 00:37:35 That's like years in the future. I'm excited.
00:37:35 --> 00:37:38 I'm definitely excited. I want them to, they've
00:37:38 --> 00:37:40 got to have a season two or they've got to have
00:37:40 --> 00:37:43 another series that follows up on Ahsoka. But
00:37:43 --> 00:37:45 I'm really excited to see what happens because
00:37:45 --> 00:37:49 I really want to know what happened to Ahsoka
00:37:49 --> 00:37:51 by the time the sequel trilogy comes around.
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54 Because, you know, we don't know at the moment.
00:37:54 --> 00:37:56 We'll find out. The Filoni movie, it's going
00:37:56 --> 00:37:58 to tie it all together, including Skeleton Crew,
00:37:58 --> 00:38:00 which hasn't come yet. I'm so excited. Also,
00:38:00 --> 00:38:04 one point that I wanted to mention to you and
00:38:04 --> 00:38:06 see what your thoughts on it. So, you know how
00:38:06 --> 00:38:10 Ahsoka has the recordings of Anakin with, like,
00:38:10 --> 00:38:14 the lightsaber stuff? What if she, because we
00:38:14 --> 00:38:17 know she goes and talks to Luke at least one
00:38:17 --> 00:38:22 or two times. What if she showed those to Luke
00:38:22 --> 00:38:25 and that's how Luke became such, like, a bona
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28 fide, or part of how he became, like, a bona
00:38:28 --> 00:38:31 fide lightsaber master? I wonder what he would
00:38:31 --> 00:38:34 think. getting to see the footage of his his
00:38:34 --> 00:38:37 father because he doesn't really get that in
00:38:37 --> 00:38:40 in Legends timeline he gets a few of Obi -Wan
00:38:40 --> 00:38:43 from the archives but not of his father what
00:38:43 --> 00:38:45 do you think about that that's a that's a good
00:38:45 --> 00:38:50 point I don't know maybe but I feel like I don't
00:38:50 --> 00:38:53 know man I'm I want to know what made Luke so
00:38:53 --> 00:38:57 afraid like in the future you know so afraid
00:38:57 --> 00:39:00 that he's willing to like almost kill kylo just
00:39:00 --> 00:39:02 to keep him from potentially going down the wrong
00:39:02 --> 00:39:05 path you know even just for a split second what
00:39:05 --> 00:39:08 what things did he learn what does he know that
00:39:08 --> 00:39:11 that caused him to be so afraid for for his new
00:39:11 --> 00:39:13 jedi order it would be interesting if he's seen
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16 those those recordings And there's more that
00:39:16 --> 00:39:18 we've only seen the one. There could be plenty
00:39:18 --> 00:39:20 of other information that he imparts in those
00:39:20 --> 00:39:23 recordings. And he may already have them because
00:39:23 --> 00:39:25 Ahsoka has already met with him at this point.
00:39:25 --> 00:39:29 This is after she's met with Grogu and Luke.
00:39:29 --> 00:39:32 So there's a good chance he may have seen them.
00:39:32 --> 00:39:33 I mean, she would want to impart that knowledge
00:39:33 --> 00:39:37 to him. He isn't Master, but he's the... only
00:39:37 --> 00:39:40 master so he kind of gives himself the the role
00:39:40 --> 00:39:42 unless i mean yoda's like oh you're a master
00:39:42 --> 00:39:45 now you know through the force ghostiness um
00:39:45 --> 00:39:48 yeah we'll see and maybe even anakin's ghost
00:39:48 --> 00:39:51 will appear to him well we don't know it would
00:39:51 --> 00:39:53 be definitely cool to see luke again in that
00:39:53 --> 00:39:56 uh feloni movie although i'd prefer if we didn't
00:39:56 --> 00:39:59 i prefer if other people resolved the galaxy's
00:39:59 --> 00:40:02 problems rather than just bringing in luke and
00:40:02 --> 00:40:04 like the grand finale where he destroys all the
00:40:04 --> 00:40:07 robots hey i still love that scene honestly It
00:40:07 --> 00:40:08 was so good. It was so good. It was very good.
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10 I just don't want it to happen again. It was
00:40:10 --> 00:40:12 awesome. I just don't want it to happen again.
00:40:12 --> 00:40:15 Like it's some trope that they're just going
00:40:15 --> 00:40:17 to throw in. Oh, the big bad's here. Everything's
00:40:17 --> 00:40:19 going to shit. Bring in Luke. Bring in Luke.
00:40:19 --> 00:40:21 Luke's here. He's back. Look at that X -wing.
00:40:22 --> 00:40:24 Here comes that X -Wing. Also, can we just appreciate
00:40:24 --> 00:40:26 the fact that in like, I don't know, like a four
00:40:26 --> 00:40:29 year span, the amount of Mandalorian Jedi in
00:40:29 --> 00:40:33 the galaxy just kind of skyrocket in phantasmally
00:40:33 --> 00:40:35 from zero to two. Do you know what that curve
00:40:35 --> 00:40:39 looks like? It's straight up, brother. Hey, do
00:40:39 --> 00:40:41 you know who my favorite Mandalorian Jedi is?
00:40:41 --> 00:40:46 Is it Kat? No. Or is it Jusik? No. I guess technically
00:40:46 --> 00:40:50 it's not a Mandalorian, but is it? Jedi trained
00:40:50 --> 00:40:56 in the Mandalorian ways. Jaina? Jaina f***ing
00:40:56 --> 00:41:00 Solo! She's not Mandalorian. Not even a little
00:41:00 --> 00:41:02 bit. Okay, but she was trained Mandalorian, so
00:41:02 --> 00:41:05 it counts. That's like me watching a video of
00:41:05 --> 00:41:08 a guy on YouTube using a broadsword. I'm now
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10 a medieval knight, which is bullshit. You could,
00:41:10 --> 00:41:12 though. I'm not a medieval knight just because
00:41:12 --> 00:41:14 I watched a video about some fighting. You can't
00:41:14 --> 00:41:18 prove that in a court of law. I definitely think
00:41:18 --> 00:41:23 I could. Well, any last points here that we want
00:41:23 --> 00:41:25 to mention before we tie off the main episode?
00:41:25 --> 00:41:29 Ezra in the Stormtrooper armor. Okay, plot armor
00:41:29 --> 00:41:32 is ****. I was mad about that. Okay, so I have,
00:41:32 --> 00:41:34 yes, because I have two theories about that.
00:41:34 --> 00:41:37 One, plot armor is **** and I'm pissed because
00:41:37 --> 00:41:42 how the **** does he escape a regiment like Thrawn's
00:41:42 --> 00:41:47 on an Imperial shuttle and get out? Or two, it's
00:41:47 --> 00:41:51 exactly like I thought and ****. Thrawn and Ezra
00:41:51 --> 00:41:54 are together and this is part of the plan. It
00:41:54 --> 00:41:56 would be a callback to the first episode. The
00:41:56 --> 00:41:58 very first scene where... Yeah, you're right.
00:41:59 --> 00:42:01 I think because one of my predictions that I
00:42:01 --> 00:42:04 made in the first episode was that Thrawn and
00:42:04 --> 00:42:08 Ezra are in league. Because there's no way they've
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10 been there for that long and haven't interacted.
00:42:10 --> 00:42:12 Like, it just doesn't make any sense. And when
00:42:12 --> 00:42:15 I saw that scene, it just didn't make any sense.
00:42:15 --> 00:42:19 Because I know how Thrawn operates. Either that
00:42:19 --> 00:42:23 ship is tracked and, like, Thrawn knows. Or,
00:42:23 --> 00:42:27 like, Thrawn's in league with Ezra in some manner.
00:42:27 --> 00:42:30 Because it just... How? Like, I don't understand
00:42:30 --> 00:42:35 how that... He would make it. It just doesn't
00:42:35 --> 00:42:38 make any sense. Something's up. The ship was
00:42:38 --> 00:42:42 definitely jarring for me. Him in the Stormtrooper
00:42:42 --> 00:42:44 armor, him impersonating a Stormtrooper, classic.
00:42:44 --> 00:42:47 But the ship, I was very confused when he pulled
00:42:47 --> 00:42:49 up in a shuttle. I was like, how did he get off
00:42:49 --> 00:42:52 the Chimera without dying? And why isn't Thrawn
00:42:52 --> 00:42:55 worried about it at all? Why isn't he mentioning
00:42:55 --> 00:42:57 like, oh shit, we brought Ezra back with us.
00:42:57 --> 00:43:00 I'm screwed again. You're right. He totally could
00:43:00 --> 00:43:04 be in League. The way he acted seemed like classic
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06 Ezra. He seemed completely the same. So if he
00:43:06 --> 00:43:09 is on Thrawn's side, Ezra is like the best actor
00:43:09 --> 00:43:11 there is. Ezra also wasn't really questioning
00:43:11 --> 00:43:14 Sabine on how she got there. She'd just say it's
00:43:14 --> 00:43:16 complicated. And he's like, okay, we'll talk
00:43:16 --> 00:43:19 about something else. That's pretty characteristic
00:43:19 --> 00:43:22 of Ezra though, honestly. He trusts her. It is
00:43:22 --> 00:43:24 a little sus. It definitely is a little sus.
00:43:24 --> 00:43:27 But that is true to Ezra's character at least.
00:43:27 --> 00:43:30 I can verify that. But I just don't, yeah, I
00:43:30 --> 00:43:32 just don't, it don't make sense that he was able
00:43:32 --> 00:43:34 to sneak off the Chimera with no consequences.
00:43:34 --> 00:43:37 Like, none. And he's just escorted in by two
00:43:37 --> 00:43:40 A -Wings. Like, would he send out a Jedi code
00:43:40 --> 00:43:42 just like Balan did? Like, come on. And then
00:43:42 --> 00:43:43 he pulls up and they don't know it's him when
00:43:43 --> 00:43:46 he steps out. They're confused. So what did he
00:43:46 --> 00:43:48 tell them? I know Chopper knows. Chopper knows.
00:43:48 --> 00:43:49 But why didn't, why weren't they? War criminals
00:43:49 --> 00:43:54 recognize war criminals. That's what it is. Game
00:43:54 --> 00:43:58 recognize game, mother f***er. What transmission
00:43:58 --> 00:44:02 did he send for them to allow him to land? Or
00:44:02 --> 00:44:06 maybe that was the shuttle that Balan used. And
00:44:06 --> 00:44:09 I don't know, man. Yeah, it's just weird. That
00:44:09 --> 00:44:11 was definitely a weird moment. But him in the
00:44:11 --> 00:44:13 trooper armor, that's classic Ezra. Yeah, because
00:44:13 --> 00:44:15 he does it twice in Rebels, I'm pretty sure,
00:44:15 --> 00:44:18 if not more. Yeah, and he's got like a collection
00:44:18 --> 00:44:21 of helmets and whatnot. I mean, that's his shtick.
00:44:22 --> 00:44:24 All right, everyone. Well, that has been our
00:44:24 --> 00:44:28 main episode, episode five, Ahsoka part two.
00:44:28 --> 00:44:31 Thank you guys so much for being here and listening.
00:44:31 --> 00:44:33 We really appreciate it. But this has been The
00:44:33 --> 00:44:36 Force Unscripted. Thank you guys so much for
00:44:36 --> 00:44:38 listening. And we will catch you on the next
00:44:38 --> 00:44:38 one.