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00:00:00 --> 00:00:01 You know, I was having a weird thought. You know
00:00:01 --> 00:00:05 how, like, in the Multiverse of Madness for Marvel,
00:00:05 --> 00:00:08 you find out, like, there's all of these f***ing,
00:00:08 --> 00:00:10 like, different universes and s*** that exist?
00:00:11 --> 00:00:14 What if... that also technically applies to Star
00:00:14 --> 00:00:17 Wars. Like, I mean, like, you could assume so,
00:00:17 --> 00:00:20 but it's never, like, specified. What if there
00:00:20 --> 00:00:24 is a alternate reality where Obi -Wan, post -Order
00:00:24 --> 00:00:28 66, is throwing that ass in, like, a Tatooine
00:00:28 --> 00:00:32 strip club where Palpatine is his, like, gay
00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 pimp? I mean... Like, would you not read smut
00:00:34 --> 00:00:36 about that? In the infinite multiverse, you know,
00:00:36 --> 00:00:41 that probably exists somewhere. So I can comfortably...
00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 fantasize about obi -wan kenobi being cheeked
00:00:44 --> 00:00:45 up in the club i don't know about comfortably
00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 but you can definitely fantasize about it if
00:00:48 --> 00:00:50 i can fantasize about it i'm pretty comfortable
00:00:50 --> 00:01:18 i'll give you that one thank you Welcome everyone
00:01:18 --> 00:01:22 to The Force Unscripted. It's your boy Nikita
00:01:22 --> 00:01:25 back with the final installment for our three
00:01:25 --> 00:01:30 part. Obi -Wan Kenobi season finale. I'm super
00:01:30 --> 00:01:34 excited to wrap this season finale up and then
00:01:34 --> 00:01:37 get ready for the next season. Just kind of as
00:01:37 --> 00:01:39 a heads up we will be taking probably about a
00:01:39 --> 00:01:44 month hiatus to get the new artwork for the next
00:01:44 --> 00:01:48 season done. We will be having a new member join
00:01:48 --> 00:01:53 our cast. His name is Exotic. He has been a Star
00:01:53 --> 00:01:55 Wars fan for a while but I'm gonna leave you
00:01:55 --> 00:02:00 guys. wondering about him until the next season
00:02:00 --> 00:02:04 for now let's go ahead and begin our discussion
00:02:04 --> 00:02:09 about obi -wan from basically post order 66 until
00:02:09 --> 00:02:15 he evaporates in the fourth movie, A New Hope,
00:02:15 --> 00:02:17 the first movie, I guess, if you're speaking
00:02:17 --> 00:02:20 non -chronologically. So Hunter, I know you've
00:02:20 --> 00:02:24 watched Kenobi. What are your thoughts on Obi
00:02:24 --> 00:02:28 -Wan after his exile? Do you think that his exile
00:02:28 --> 00:02:30 was important to the character that he became
00:02:30 --> 00:02:34 once we get to A New Hope? Do you feel like his
00:02:34 --> 00:02:40 commune with... qui -gon was something that was
00:02:40 --> 00:02:43 where exile was necessary for him to reach the
00:02:43 --> 00:02:47 point that he gets to in a new hope well i i
00:02:47 --> 00:02:49 don't know i don't know if i'd call it exile
00:02:49 --> 00:02:52 because he wasn't really exiled he was it was
00:02:52 --> 00:02:54 definitely a self -imposed exile it was self
00:02:54 --> 00:02:57 -imposed sure but it's still an exile like yeah
00:02:58 --> 00:03:01 You know, I think our last episode and the one
00:03:01 --> 00:03:03 before really, we talked about how kind of like
00:03:03 --> 00:03:06 uptight Obi -Wan was for a lot of his like life.
00:03:07 --> 00:03:10 But then like after the Kenobi show, like at
00:03:10 --> 00:03:12 the end, yeah, we see he's had like that development
00:03:12 --> 00:03:14 where, you know, he's able to actually commune
00:03:14 --> 00:03:16 with Qui -Gon at that point. I do think like
00:03:16 --> 00:03:18 that seclusion where he needed to like learn
00:03:18 --> 00:03:21 about himself was important, but also like moping
00:03:21 --> 00:03:24 around for 10 years was a little bit of a stretch.
00:03:24 --> 00:03:27 But also I think the way - Would you get 10?
00:03:27 --> 00:03:30 from or was it eight eight years you're talking
00:03:30 --> 00:03:32 about from the end of order 66 to a new hope
00:03:32 --> 00:03:36 no to the kenobi show oh yeah okay okay never
00:03:36 --> 00:03:38 mind i okay 10 i was confused for a second i
00:03:38 --> 00:03:40 thought you were talking about like he was only
00:03:40 --> 00:03:42 exiled for 10 years like what the hell i don't
00:03:42 --> 00:03:44 know he was exiled till a new hope but just the
00:03:44 --> 00:03:48 like 1920 years yeah yeah through i think i think
00:03:48 --> 00:03:50 they said luke was like eight or nine so yeah
00:03:50 --> 00:03:55 that lines up i do like the story of the kenobi
00:03:55 --> 00:03:59 show i do like the trauma that he has from having
00:03:59 --> 00:04:02 to to what he thought was off his you know brother
00:04:02 --> 00:04:07 to learning he's alive realizing that maybe like
00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 everything wasn't his fault the whole time and
00:04:09 --> 00:04:12 like he wasn't just the worst jedi ever and maybe
00:04:12 --> 00:04:18 he could still be a anymore etc etc i think i
00:04:18 --> 00:04:21 think they did that story really well like teaching
00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 him how to to care and teach and be the master
00:04:24 --> 00:04:27 jedi that he used to be you know the like qui
00:04:27 --> 00:04:30 -gon 2 .0 i didn't love like a few of the plot
00:04:30 --> 00:04:34 elements reva was a little just a forced i think
00:04:34 --> 00:04:36 but i love when she gets diffed by vader though
00:04:36 --> 00:04:40 that like that you know the inquisitor stuff
00:04:40 --> 00:04:44 uh an inquisitor turning on vader that kind of
00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 thing like that's totally in line with what i
00:04:46 --> 00:04:50 would expect from sith slash jedi to sith shenanigans
00:04:50 --> 00:04:54 that kind of thing but uh i just think the the
00:04:54 --> 00:04:56 plot line there was a little too forced and like
00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 a little tacky but like the the rest of the story
00:04:58 --> 00:05:01 i felt was good like him meeting leia we needed
00:05:01 --> 00:05:04 that connection between him and leia to like
00:05:04 --> 00:05:06 to explain why of all the people she could have
00:05:06 --> 00:05:10 gone to once she had the Death Star plans, why
00:05:10 --> 00:05:13 she went to Obi -Wan, like how she knew to, I
00:05:13 --> 00:05:15 mean, maybe she did or didn't. I feel like she
00:05:15 --> 00:05:18 knew that CPO, C -3PO and R2 were like old companions
00:05:18 --> 00:05:22 of Obi -Wan. Also, like we see. If she did, then
00:05:22 --> 00:05:24 I have no recollection of that because that didn't
00:05:24 --> 00:05:27 happen in Legends or in. In Disney, as far as
00:05:27 --> 00:05:32 I know. She didn't find out that C -3PO and R2
00:05:32 --> 00:05:35 -D2 were related to their father until the Swarm
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 Queen Wars. That's when they found out. So it
00:05:38 --> 00:05:40 was like, I think Jason and Jaina were already
00:05:40 --> 00:05:44 like almost in their... early 20s that's fair
00:05:44 --> 00:05:46 so that was just coincidental but the you know
00:05:46 --> 00:05:47 the fact that she knew to send the the plants
00:05:47 --> 00:05:50 to him at all that that was definitely a little
00:05:50 --> 00:05:52 bit explained at least she she trusted him she
00:05:52 --> 00:05:54 knew that he was a man of his word and would
00:05:54 --> 00:05:57 would do the right thing and we see like i liked
00:05:57 --> 00:06:00 one of the the plot lines we see him seeing a
00:06:00 --> 00:06:03 a clone trooper uh i forget his name they gave
00:06:03 --> 00:06:05 him a name but the the clone trooper who was
00:06:05 --> 00:06:08 like begging for money just seeing like the legacy
00:06:08 --> 00:06:11 of what the war what his troops because i think
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 that even that guy was a 501st trooper so he
00:06:14 --> 00:06:16 probably would have known him like personally
00:06:16 --> 00:06:18 or at least like worked with him at some point
00:06:18 --> 00:06:20 when him and Anakin were doing joint you know
00:06:20 --> 00:06:23 task forces and whatnot so there were a lot of
00:06:23 --> 00:06:25 little plot points I think that came together
00:06:25 --> 00:06:29 very well and I think it did show us how they
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 shaped or how Obi -Wan was shaped from the the
00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 more uptight you know rule following person that
00:06:35 --> 00:06:39 he was to the more calm and one with the forcedness
00:06:39 --> 00:06:43 that Qui -Gon, you know, always seemed to be.
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 I think we get a nice transition into him, like
00:06:46 --> 00:06:48 realizing that the force isn't just something
00:06:48 --> 00:06:52 you use. It's also something like you feel and
00:06:52 --> 00:06:55 commune with that kind of thing. The difference
00:06:55 --> 00:06:57 between the living force and the, was it physical
00:06:57 --> 00:07:00 force or something like that? Cosmic force. Sure.
00:07:00 --> 00:07:02 The unifying force, which one? There's a bunch
00:07:02 --> 00:07:04 of them. The one that you use versus the one
00:07:04 --> 00:07:08 that's like everything. I forget. You're right.
00:07:08 --> 00:07:10 I think there's like four for the canon stuff.
00:07:10 --> 00:07:11 There's a couple of them. They always say that
00:07:11 --> 00:07:14 there's like two, and it's never like two. But,
00:07:14 --> 00:07:16 you know, it's funny. One of the things that
00:07:16 --> 00:07:19 I actually think Disney did better than Legends
00:07:19 --> 00:07:24 is that little time period post -Order 66, pre
00:07:24 --> 00:07:30 -A New Hope, because there are... times in the
00:07:30 --> 00:07:33 Legends series where I wish they had gone more
00:07:33 --> 00:07:35 into it, and they really don't. There's one book
00:07:35 --> 00:07:37 that's written by John Jackson Miller that's
00:07:37 --> 00:07:41 called Kenobi. It's literally the same time period,
00:07:41 --> 00:07:45 except Obi -Wan, well, it's a little bit sooner
00:07:45 --> 00:07:46 than what takes place in the Disney timeline.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:50 Obi -Wan is basically doing his hermit s*** in
00:07:50 --> 00:07:53 the desert. People are already starting to know
00:07:53 --> 00:07:58 him as Ben now, and he is basically living a
00:07:58 --> 00:08:02 couple of you know like a couple dozens of kilometers
00:08:02 --> 00:08:05 from like this town where the big thing in the
00:08:05 --> 00:08:10 town is there's this vaporator that they got
00:08:10 --> 00:08:12 the settings right 10 years ago it's like the
00:08:12 --> 00:08:15 prime settings the owner of the vaporator was
00:08:15 --> 00:08:19 like the husband to like the main protagonist
00:08:19 --> 00:08:22 who is like who ends up falling for obi -wan
00:08:22 --> 00:08:24 which i think is funny then the tuscan raiders
00:08:24 --> 00:08:28 attack they like blow up this perfect Vaderator
00:08:28 --> 00:08:29 and they're like, oh my God, we're never going
00:08:29 --> 00:08:31 to get these settings right. And the story is
00:08:31 --> 00:08:34 just basically giving you background as to how
00:08:34 --> 00:08:38 Obi -Wan kind of transitions into his hermit
00:08:38 --> 00:08:42 ship, I guess, basically going from full Obi
00:08:42 --> 00:08:46 -Wan to Ben. And in the story, he, you know,
00:08:46 --> 00:08:48 he has a scene where he has to pull out his lightsaber
00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 in order to defend. He has to help them escape
00:08:51 --> 00:08:55 the Tuskens. He learns how to, the only, Relevant
00:08:55 --> 00:08:58 information from that book that is re -referenced
00:08:58 --> 00:09:01 is the fact that you learn that in this book,
00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 this is where he figures out how to simulate
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 the sound of the Krayt Dragon and learns that
00:09:06 --> 00:09:08 the Tusken Raiders, when they hear this, will
00:09:08 --> 00:09:11 run. And of course, that's one of the first iconic
00:09:11 --> 00:09:15 scenes in A New Hope where Ben Kenobi comes up
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 and does the sound and waves his hands and the
00:09:18 --> 00:09:22 Tusken Raiders run away. That's really all we
00:09:22 --> 00:09:25 get. As far as Obi -Wan is concerned in the Legends
00:09:25 --> 00:09:28 timeline. So when I saw Kenobi, not only did
00:09:28 --> 00:09:32 I freak out because obviously it's, you know,
00:09:32 --> 00:09:34 the Obi -Anni that I know from, you know, the
00:09:34 --> 00:09:37 prequel trilogy. And I hate and Christiansen
00:09:37 --> 00:09:39 love them. He does a beautiful man. And just
00:09:39 --> 00:09:43 getting to see them basically like rehash a lot
00:09:43 --> 00:09:48 of the choreography and some of the, you know,
00:09:48 --> 00:09:50 moments that they had is while they were still
00:09:50 --> 00:09:52 Master Padawan from, you know, like the. Clone
00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 Wars era it was just I thought it was really
00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 good I agree that there were some plot points
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 that were either felt a little forced or I was
00:10:00 --> 00:10:03 just kind of uninterested in but I absolutely
00:10:03 --> 00:10:08 and wholeheartedly loved the stuff with Leia
00:10:08 --> 00:10:11 getting to meet Lola and all of that kind of
00:10:11 --> 00:10:14 stuff because one thing that that I was telling
00:10:14 --> 00:10:16 you about the other day was like when it came
00:10:16 --> 00:10:22 to episode four One thing that I never understood
00:10:22 --> 00:10:26 the first time watching through was why Leia
00:10:26 --> 00:10:29 chose this old man. Like, sure, friend of your
00:10:29 --> 00:10:32 dad. Sure, knew him from the Clone Wars, which
00:10:32 --> 00:10:33 we didn't really know about when we saw them.
00:10:33 --> 00:10:37 But, like, what would make you want to call up
00:10:37 --> 00:10:40 some old f***ing dude in their, what, Obi -Wan
00:10:40 --> 00:10:43 is in his, like, 60s at that point, right? Like,
00:10:43 --> 00:10:45 mid -50s, early 60s, somewhere around there.
00:10:45 --> 00:10:48 And you're just like, uh, buddy? like why are
00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 you talking to this old dude like excuse me and
00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 then you see like the kenobi series and you're
00:10:53 --> 00:10:57 just like oh okay he knew exactly who she was
00:10:57 --> 00:11:00 of course he was watching over like luke and
00:11:00 --> 00:11:02 you knew he was watching over luke but we never
00:11:02 --> 00:11:04 really get to see what obi -wan got to do for
00:11:04 --> 00:11:06 leia and the kenobi series is what opened us
00:11:06 --> 00:11:10 into that and i also think it's cool that we
00:11:10 --> 00:11:13 also get to see what it's like to be so separated
00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 from the force. Like we get, we get hints of
00:11:16 --> 00:11:21 it in certain new Canon information, like the
00:11:21 --> 00:11:23 information that we're provided with from Jedi
00:11:23 --> 00:11:24 fallen order, you know, like cutting yourself
00:11:24 --> 00:11:27 off from the force is like losing a limb. It's
00:11:27 --> 00:11:29 something that you've just always had there your
00:11:29 --> 00:11:31 entire life. It's an eight, you train it, you
00:11:31 --> 00:11:34 cultivate it. And then all of a sudden it's gone.
00:11:34 --> 00:11:37 It can be disorienting. It can change who you
00:11:37 --> 00:11:41 are. And you see, Obi -Wan kind of deal with
00:11:41 --> 00:11:44 that but I think that he does it in a way that
00:11:44 --> 00:11:48 shows his true connection with the force like
00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 sure he may have cut himself off from it but
00:11:50 --> 00:11:53 I still feel like he was intimately connected
00:11:53 --> 00:11:56 with it enough to that when it came back of course
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 it was like riding a bike of course it was like
00:11:58 --> 00:12:01 you know meeting with an old friend who you haven't
00:12:01 --> 00:12:03 talked to in a while and you catch up immediately
00:12:03 --> 00:12:06 where you left off like it felt really nice how
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 they did it because it's not like I was expecting
00:12:09 --> 00:12:11 them to do like maybe like a one or two episode
00:12:11 --> 00:12:13 where like he's trying to get it like he used
00:12:13 --> 00:12:16 to get it and he couldn't. But he goes from like,
00:12:16 --> 00:12:19 oh, I'm getting my shit smacked by Vader to like,
00:12:19 --> 00:12:21 wait a minute. I'm forgetting who I am. I'm the
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 master. Like you finna take some rocks to the
00:12:24 --> 00:12:27 fucking dome. Like and he goes back and he's
00:12:27 --> 00:12:31 just like he kicks Vader's ass. And then, of
00:12:31 --> 00:12:33 course, that leads to like my last point for
00:12:33 --> 00:12:38 the Kenobi series is I thought and I still think
00:12:38 --> 00:12:40 this and you can fight me on this if you want
00:12:40 --> 00:12:43 to. But I think that the most poetic thing. that
00:12:43 --> 00:12:46 Disney has ever done in regards to Star Wars
00:12:46 --> 00:12:51 so far is the color work in the scene. where
00:12:51 --> 00:12:54 Anakin slash Vader talks to Obi -Wan with his
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 mask broken. If you watch that scene and go back,
00:12:57 --> 00:13:00 you can see how they do the blue and the red
00:13:00 --> 00:13:03 light, where Anakin peeks through for a little
00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 bit, then Vader comes back through, and then
00:13:05 --> 00:13:08 you can see there's this look on Obi -Wan that's
00:13:08 --> 00:13:11 kind of hope, but then it also fades to where
00:13:11 --> 00:13:13 he's seeing the darkness of the person that he
00:13:13 --> 00:13:17 once saw as a brother. I thought that it was
00:13:17 --> 00:13:20 just beautifully done. It was very poetic. poetic
00:13:20 --> 00:13:24 it was just a1 disney like i shit on disney all
00:13:24 --> 00:13:26 the time but i give them a 10 out of 10 for that
00:13:26 --> 00:13:28 scene if anything i actually agree with you i
00:13:28 --> 00:13:31 i saw that that color shift when i was watching
00:13:31 --> 00:13:33 it the first time where you know he's talking
00:13:33 --> 00:13:38 like you didn't kill anakin skywalker i did you
00:13:38 --> 00:13:41 know and you can see the relief almost on obi
00:13:41 --> 00:13:44 -wan's face like the relief is is very visible
00:13:44 --> 00:13:47 when he's like i wasn't the one that that ruined
00:13:47 --> 00:13:49 my friend here my friend did this to himself
00:13:49 --> 00:13:53 he built up this like evil persona and fully
00:13:53 --> 00:13:56 bought into it and he's just eating it up because
00:13:56 --> 00:13:59 he can't bear to face like who he was before
00:13:59 --> 00:14:02 and what he's done and i think that helped really
00:14:02 --> 00:14:04 helped oh i mean it did clearly it really helped
00:14:04 --> 00:14:06 obi -wan come to terms with what happened like
00:14:06 --> 00:14:08 he really thought like he had to take out like
00:14:08 --> 00:14:11 somebody he loved so much but in reality that
00:14:11 --> 00:14:14 person took their own self out and showed it
00:14:14 --> 00:14:16 to him and even gave him like the out that he
00:14:16 --> 00:14:18 needed to be like i'm gonna i'm gonna let go
00:14:18 --> 00:14:21 because before that you know yes he was getting
00:14:21 --> 00:14:23 it he was getting his touch back he was getting
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 his groove back realizing like this is what he
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 needed to do anakin didn't die maybe i can save
00:14:28 --> 00:14:31 him a little bit let me see maybe there's still
00:14:31 --> 00:14:34 some good in him and then vader being like actually
00:14:34 --> 00:14:36 there's no more anakin i killed him You know,
00:14:36 --> 00:14:39 and Obi -Wan's like, well, let me just smack
00:14:39 --> 00:14:44 the fuck out your ass. I feel like Anakin was
00:14:44 --> 00:14:48 able to pull through for that brief moment to
00:14:48 --> 00:14:51 let his friend know, it's not you. Move the fuck
00:14:51 --> 00:14:55 on. This is what I am now. You need to do your
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 shit. I've done my shit. Anakin is dead. Now
00:14:58 --> 00:15:00 it's your turn to get your shit together because
00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 the next time we see each other, that's it. I
00:15:02 --> 00:15:05 feel like Anakin was like, let trying his. best
00:15:05 --> 00:15:07 to let him know that i think where the anakin
00:15:07 --> 00:15:09 peeked through there maybe not where he's like
00:15:09 --> 00:15:11 trying to you know give his friend that closure
00:15:11 --> 00:15:14 maybe so maybe maybe he felt that obi -wan was
00:15:14 --> 00:15:16 really conflicted and he wouldn't be have like
00:15:16 --> 00:15:19 a good fight with it you know because vader wants
00:15:19 --> 00:15:21 to you know be the most power he wants to prove
00:15:21 --> 00:15:22 he's the most powerful so he doesn't want to
00:15:22 --> 00:15:24 fight you while you're while you're wimpy as
00:15:24 --> 00:15:27 heck he's just gonna force choke you hold you
00:15:27 --> 00:15:30 in the air and then fire He did it, like, two
00:15:30 --> 00:15:33 episodes before that. Like, let me finish. Let
00:15:33 --> 00:15:35 me finish, okay? When he got his ass whooped
00:15:35 --> 00:15:38 by his former master, he got scared. And the
00:15:38 --> 00:15:41 little boy Anakin peeked through when he got
00:15:41 --> 00:15:43 scared, scared that he was going to lose, just
00:15:43 --> 00:15:46 like he lost Padme, just like he lost to Obi
00:15:46 --> 00:15:49 -Wan the first time. Little boy Anakin pops out,
00:15:50 --> 00:15:52 and he's like, oh, f***, I screwed up. That's
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 my master. I'm about to get my ass whooped. And
00:15:55 --> 00:15:58 then he gets mad. And then he gets mad that he's
00:15:58 --> 00:16:00 losing, and that's when he pops up as Vader,
00:16:01 --> 00:16:03 and he's like, you know what? F*** you. I killed
00:16:03 --> 00:16:07 that little baby. You know, this is me now. I'm
00:16:07 --> 00:16:09 powerful. Yada yada. Yeah, your argument falls
00:16:09 --> 00:16:13 apart when you say... That he was scared? Because
00:16:13 --> 00:16:15 if you scared, why are you going to give your
00:16:15 --> 00:16:18 opponent closure? That don't make no sense. He
00:16:18 --> 00:16:20 knows that Obi -Wan isn't going to kill him.
00:16:20 --> 00:16:22 But why would you provide closure? That's why
00:16:22 --> 00:16:25 I'm saying he's not providing closure. You're
00:16:25 --> 00:16:28 saying he's providing closure. You said, you
00:16:28 --> 00:16:30 know we record, right? Yes, let's go back and
00:16:30 --> 00:16:32 listen to the part where you said that he's providing,
00:16:33 --> 00:16:36 he's giving Obi -Wan that like... peace of mind
00:16:36 --> 00:16:38 kind of thing let's go back to that part and
00:16:38 --> 00:16:40 then let's go to the part where i said actually
00:16:40 --> 00:16:43 he wasn't he was just a scared little yeah okay
00:16:43 --> 00:16:46 so why if he's a scared little then why is he
00:16:46 --> 00:16:50 saying no you didn't kill him i did that's closure
00:16:50 --> 00:16:53 no no no no closure right there no no he didn't
00:16:53 --> 00:16:55 do that for obi -wan's sake he did that for his
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 own sake he got pissed off that he was a scared
00:16:58 --> 00:17:00 little baby and he was like you know what that
00:17:00 --> 00:17:03 i'm mad i'm actually vader i'm big boy powerful
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 i would believe that if the colors matched but
00:17:06 --> 00:17:09 he was blue the entire time he was saying that
00:17:09 --> 00:17:11 wasn't blue when he was saying i i'm the one
00:17:11 --> 00:17:13 that killed anakin he was red when he said that
00:17:14 --> 00:17:16 No, he was red towards the end of it. It switched.
00:17:16 --> 00:17:17 That's what I'm saying. It was blue in the beginning.
00:17:17 --> 00:17:19 But it was blue in the beginning. That's the
00:17:19 --> 00:17:21 whole point. The colors were good. We both liked
00:17:21 --> 00:17:24 the colors. You think he was being nice. I think
00:17:24 --> 00:17:26 he was being a little bitch. Don't roll over.
00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 I can't see your face. This is the problem. I
00:17:30 --> 00:17:32 can't see your face to just roast you. You don't
00:17:32 --> 00:17:34 deserve to see this beautiful face. I'm going
00:17:34 --> 00:17:36 to get up. I'm going to come downstairs. And
00:17:36 --> 00:17:38 then we're going to talk on the same microphone.
00:17:38 --> 00:17:39 And I'm going to look you in the eyes. Let's
00:17:39 --> 00:17:41 see. Okay, no, no, no. I hear you. Stop, stop.
00:17:41 --> 00:17:44 It was a joke. It was a prank, bro. It was...
00:17:44 --> 00:17:47 Hunter! It was a prank. It was a prank. And that
00:17:47 --> 00:17:52 right there, that's the blue. Oh, f*** you. But
00:17:52 --> 00:17:55 no, even though we may not see exactly eye to
00:17:55 --> 00:17:58 eye on it, the symbolism and the poeticism was
00:17:58 --> 00:18:00 beautiful. I mentioned, I think it was like two
00:18:00 --> 00:18:02 or three episodes ago, that's one thing that
00:18:02 --> 00:18:04 I love about Star Wars is like the poetic elements
00:18:04 --> 00:18:07 that you're just like, yeah, that's very beautiful.
00:18:07 --> 00:18:09 That's very artistic. And it just, it makes me
00:18:09 --> 00:18:12 appreciate the series that much more. You know,
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 we had like similar discussions about the color
00:18:15 --> 00:18:18 change and the scene change briefly during the
00:18:18 --> 00:18:22 Ahsoka series. I think the new... feloniverse
00:18:22 --> 00:18:24 slash the others I mean it is the feloniverse
00:18:24 --> 00:18:28 now because he is the chief creative officer
00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 or whatever but I think that is one of the few
00:18:31 --> 00:18:34 things I mean they've done a lot of things good
00:18:34 --> 00:18:36 especially in the Mandalorian department but
00:18:36 --> 00:18:39 I think Disney has done a very good job of using
00:18:39 --> 00:18:42 the scenery and not just the words and actions
00:18:42 --> 00:18:46 of the you know the shows to portray like really
00:18:46 --> 00:18:51 powerful and like moving moments like imagery
00:18:51 --> 00:18:53 that kind of thing like messages especially when
00:18:53 --> 00:18:57 it comes to vader slash anakin yeah and and that
00:18:57 --> 00:18:59 that's one thing i know it's kind of off topic
00:18:59 --> 00:19:03 for the show but it makes me um excited to see
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 how they do stuff like acolytes where they don't
00:19:05 --> 00:19:08 really have anything from the past to kind of
00:19:08 --> 00:19:11 build off of you know like this stuff is stuff
00:19:11 --> 00:19:13 that's you know like it's grandfathered content
00:19:13 --> 00:19:15 you know like we have the clone wars we have
00:19:15 --> 00:19:18 the prequels so like the the base is there but
00:19:18 --> 00:19:21 for this there's really not one and so i want
00:19:21 --> 00:19:23 to see how they they kind of try to work those
00:19:23 --> 00:19:27 elements of of poeticism in and and symbolism
00:19:27 --> 00:19:29 because you know they're going to do it like
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 they're going to do it they always have really
00:19:31 --> 00:19:35 but it's just when you know what you're looking
00:19:35 --> 00:19:39 for it's easier to see and so i feel like knowing
00:19:39 --> 00:19:42 that they really don't have a base with some
00:19:42 --> 00:19:44 of the new content that they're going to be putting
00:19:44 --> 00:19:48 out and we know stuff to look for. I think it's
00:19:48 --> 00:19:52 going to make the future series for Star Wars
00:19:52 --> 00:19:59 pretty bright. I know in the Luke Skywalker episode,
00:19:59 --> 00:20:01 one of the things that I was mentioning was that
00:20:01 --> 00:20:03 I was apprehensive because, you know, here's
00:20:03 --> 00:20:06 my favorite series of all time, not just sci
00:20:06 --> 00:20:07 -fi, just favorite series of all time in the
00:20:07 --> 00:20:11 hands of Disney. And they could... tremendously
00:20:11 --> 00:20:14 it up which they have but they also have the
00:20:14 --> 00:20:16 potential to do some great work which they also
00:20:16 --> 00:20:19 have so i gotta take the good with the bad But
00:20:19 --> 00:20:23 using Kenobi as like a starting point for what
00:20:23 --> 00:20:25 I could possibly expect makes me hopeful. Just
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 because, I mean, as we mentioned before, Obi
00:20:28 --> 00:20:32 -Wan Kenobi is one of the name brand Star Wars
00:20:32 --> 00:20:34 character names. You know, you hear Obi -Wan
00:20:34 --> 00:20:36 Kenobi, you know what I'm talking about. Everyone
00:20:36 --> 00:20:42 always loves and respects Obi -Wan to some degree.
00:20:44 --> 00:20:49 I am happy that the Kenobi series exists because
00:20:49 --> 00:20:52 that is the period of his... That's really the
00:20:52 --> 00:20:53 period of his life we know the least about. Like,
00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 obviously... Um, with the creation of planet
00:20:56 --> 00:20:59 Stu John, we know a little bit about before the
00:20:59 --> 00:21:03 Jedi order, but with, with the Kenobi series,
00:21:03 --> 00:21:05 we finally have a little bit of a kind of gap
00:21:05 --> 00:21:07 filler between episode three and episode four,
00:21:07 --> 00:21:09 which I really do like. And I want to see if
00:21:09 --> 00:21:13 they end up like, I think Kenobi is just a one
00:21:13 --> 00:21:17 shot, but I would like. another couple like another
00:21:17 --> 00:21:20 six to eight episodes even if if it was just
00:21:20 --> 00:21:22 that just to kind of see like what are the you
00:21:22 --> 00:21:25 know the chosen one twins like in their teenage
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 years because we know leia ends up going into
00:21:28 --> 00:21:31 the imperial senate at the age of 15 or 16 we
00:21:31 --> 00:21:35 know luke just does country farm boy all the
00:21:35 --> 00:21:39 time shooting womp rats with his t16 you know
00:21:39 --> 00:21:41 so i kind of want to i would like to see a little
00:21:41 --> 00:21:44 bit part of that i also want to see what happens
00:21:44 --> 00:21:48 that obi -wan ages 40 years in the span of 20
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 because okay i'm just thinking about it okay
00:21:50 --> 00:21:53 is it because of the sun well okay there is the
00:21:53 --> 00:21:57 dual sun theory i mean that's absolutely a possibility
00:21:57 --> 00:22:02 but potentially this is just a very far stretch
00:22:02 --> 00:22:06 you know in revenge of the sith when palpatine
00:22:06 --> 00:22:10 uses the force lightning he ages like ridiculously
00:22:10 --> 00:22:14 in that small scene versus mace yes Obi -Wan
00:22:14 --> 00:22:17 starts to communicate with Qui -Gon. He starts
00:22:17 --> 00:22:21 to really tap into the Force. I said it was a
00:22:21 --> 00:22:23 stretch. I said it was a really far stretch.
00:22:23 --> 00:22:27 That's more than a stretch. That's like a baby
00:22:27 --> 00:22:29 the size of Chris Griffin walking out of his
00:22:29 --> 00:22:32 mom's vagina. That is more than just a stretch,
00:22:32 --> 00:22:35 brother. That's not how that works. That is a
00:22:35 --> 00:22:39 specific drawback of the dark side, my friend.
00:22:39 --> 00:22:42 Yeah, that's the only thing I can think of, other
00:22:42 --> 00:22:44 than the sun. I mean, there are two suns. I mean,
00:22:44 --> 00:22:47 sun aging is 100 % a thing. That's why I don't
00:22:47 --> 00:22:49 go outside. You can see my beautiful flawless
00:22:49 --> 00:22:50 face. That's what I think. I mean, that's like
00:22:50 --> 00:22:52 the most logical thing that I could think of.
00:22:52 --> 00:22:54 But just thinking about the timeline. So when
00:22:54 --> 00:22:57 he picks up Anakin, he's 19. 10 years passed
00:22:57 --> 00:23:01 between that point and the end of the Clone Wars.
00:23:01 --> 00:23:05 So he's like basically 30. And then 20 years
00:23:05 --> 00:23:08 passed. But that man does not look 50 years old.
00:23:08 --> 00:23:11 He does not. He definitely looks like 75. Maybe
00:23:11 --> 00:23:13 just casting issues at the time with Alec Guinness
00:23:13 --> 00:23:15 and everything. Or they just didn't have the
00:23:15 --> 00:23:18 timeline solidified when they were... That is
00:23:18 --> 00:23:22 also true. totally they could have they 100 could
00:23:22 --> 00:23:25 have set the clone wars like 10 years earlier
00:23:25 --> 00:23:27 to like make it all make but they did it why
00:23:27 --> 00:23:32 i don't know i love i love love love the fact
00:23:32 --> 00:23:34 that okay well just to follow up on what you
00:23:34 --> 00:23:37 just said first off vader is also technically
00:23:37 --> 00:23:41 what like like 39, 40? Yeah, 40. And he looks
00:23:41 --> 00:23:43 way worse. Older than Obi -Wan. Yeah, exactly.
00:23:44 --> 00:23:47 But the other thing is, I love the one scene
00:23:47 --> 00:23:49 that people get from A New Hope where it's like,
00:23:49 --> 00:23:50 I fought with your father in the Clone Wars,
00:23:51 --> 00:23:52 and then they take that one scene from that one
00:23:52 --> 00:23:55 show, and it's like, you don't know what this
00:23:55 --> 00:23:58 is, but your children are going to love it. Yeah,
00:23:59 --> 00:24:01 I've seen that one. I actually wanted to go back
00:24:01 --> 00:24:05 to your point a minute ago about, like, we don't
00:24:05 --> 00:24:08 have much stuff, and the season two of, like,
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 you know, you'd like to see more so i think there's
00:24:11 --> 00:24:13 like very little we've seen about getting nobody
00:24:13 --> 00:24:16 season two and i think uh that's partially due
00:24:16 --> 00:24:17 to the like really poor viewership that it's
00:24:17 --> 00:24:20 gotten i think kenobi and ahsoka are like the
00:24:20 --> 00:24:23 two least watched shows that they've done like
00:24:23 --> 00:24:26 anything just unfortunately a like the ahsoka
00:24:26 --> 00:24:29 for the fact that like people didn't watch the
00:24:29 --> 00:24:32 clone wars cartoons so they weren't caught up
00:24:32 --> 00:24:34 or mandalorian so like they had no clue what
00:24:34 --> 00:24:37 the heck was going on at all also like kenobi
00:24:37 --> 00:24:39 they're just like i mean okay it's kenobi and
00:24:39 --> 00:24:42 then they got like this side plot about this
00:24:42 --> 00:24:44 inquisitor that they don't really care about
00:24:44 --> 00:24:47 and it was tacky like literally if you just pull
00:24:47 --> 00:24:50 reva out Keep in, like, all the other Inquisitors.
00:24:51 --> 00:24:53 Literally just pull out Reva. Your viewership
00:24:53 --> 00:24:57 goes up. I feel like, I think... That's not a
00:24:57 --> 00:25:00 knock on the actor. Like, I think they gave her,
00:25:00 --> 00:25:03 like, such a bad, like... I just think that portion
00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 of the plot was just done so poorly. And why
00:25:05 --> 00:25:08 did she find Luke? Yeah, it was a little bit...
00:25:08 --> 00:25:11 The series was too short, also. Okay, now, as
00:25:11 --> 00:25:13 much as I love it, and especially I love that
00:25:13 --> 00:25:16 one scene that we were talking about, the series
00:25:16 --> 00:25:18 planning was kind of done poorly. I'm not going
00:25:18 --> 00:25:21 to lie. Eight episodes wasn't it. The plot with
00:25:21 --> 00:25:25 her wasn't it. Like, if you were going to include
00:25:25 --> 00:25:29 the Inquisitors and Tatooine and Luke, like,
00:25:29 --> 00:25:31 make a fight. Like, that should have been a fight.
00:25:31 --> 00:25:34 like a fight fight. Yeah. Like there was, there
00:25:34 --> 00:25:35 was so much they could have done with it, which
00:25:35 --> 00:25:38 is why I was hoping that maybe there would be
00:25:38 --> 00:25:40 like a second shoot off or at least if not a
00:25:40 --> 00:25:44 Kenobi shoot off something from that time period,
00:25:44 --> 00:25:47 we just don't have the, well in Disney, as far
00:25:47 --> 00:25:50 as I know, but I mean, yeah, but rebels is still.
00:25:51 --> 00:25:54 i guess you get a small bit of obi -wan development
00:25:54 --> 00:25:57 there too yes but he's already old man at that
00:25:57 --> 00:26:00 point yeah but we get some very good development
00:26:00 --> 00:26:03 him versus maul yes but that's it it's just him
00:26:03 --> 00:26:06 and maul i know i know yeah i i want something
00:26:06 --> 00:26:08 i want to know but like that's what they did
00:26:08 --> 00:26:10 they took that plot line they literally took
00:26:10 --> 00:26:13 maul and then they're like let's make reva do
00:26:13 --> 00:26:17 it too yeah What I want is I want the second
00:26:17 --> 00:26:20 Obi -Wan training arc. I want to see what he
00:26:20 --> 00:26:23 does, what he learns about the cosmic and the
00:26:23 --> 00:26:25 living force to turn him to Qui -Gon 2 .0 by
00:26:25 --> 00:26:28 the time Luke is of age. That's what I want to
00:26:28 --> 00:26:32 see. So here's the thing. The viewership for
00:26:32 --> 00:26:34 Kenobi wasn't that great, right? I don't give
00:26:34 --> 00:26:35 a f*** about the viewership. No, no, no. Listen,
00:26:36 --> 00:26:38 listen. A lot of that is... gonna be like what
00:26:38 --> 00:26:40 you're what you're describing right now a show
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 kind of centered around that i feel like a lot
00:26:42 --> 00:26:45 of it is going to be very lore heavy and i don't
00:26:45 --> 00:26:46 know if they're willing to commit to something
00:26:46 --> 00:26:49 that like does the lore like that i don't care
00:26:49 --> 00:26:50 what they're willing to commit to i still want
00:26:50 --> 00:26:54 it well i think if they did a book that does
00:26:54 --> 00:26:55 it all i think that'd be great i don't know that
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 they could do this i don't know that they would
00:26:57 --> 00:26:59 do a series but they could absolutely like commission
00:26:59 --> 00:27:02 a book to go like really in depth into that and
00:27:02 --> 00:27:03 people would eat it up i feel like there's such
00:27:03 --> 00:27:06 a polarization of the content that real star
00:27:06 --> 00:27:09 wars fans want and people who actually just people
00:27:09 --> 00:27:13 who just like Star Wars want right I'm I am excited
00:27:13 --> 00:27:15 we did mention Acolyte I am excited for that
00:27:15 --> 00:27:17 because it's meant to focus on the dark side
00:27:17 --> 00:27:20 I hope they don't just do like a dark side turns
00:27:20 --> 00:27:23 light side kind of thing I hope they really dive
00:27:23 --> 00:27:26 into the the you know nuances of of falling to
00:27:26 --> 00:27:28 the dark side or even being in the dark side
00:27:28 --> 00:27:31 from the get -go you know do they ever explain
00:27:31 --> 00:27:36 in Disney how Palpatine was able to like shroud
00:27:36 --> 00:27:39 The Jedi from the dark side? Like from his own
00:27:39 --> 00:27:42 self? Because you know how he does it in Legends,
00:27:42 --> 00:27:44 right? It's been a hot minute since I read that.
00:27:44 --> 00:27:47 There's like a, it's either Sith or Jedi, one
00:27:47 --> 00:27:49 of them. It's like an artifact under the fucking
00:27:49 --> 00:27:52 temple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it makes them f***ing
00:27:52 --> 00:27:54 hazy. I do know about that, yeah. But I don't,
00:27:54 --> 00:27:56 do they ever explain how he does it or how it's
00:27:56 --> 00:28:00 done in Disney timeline? Not that I'm aware of.
00:28:00 --> 00:28:02 I think it's just one of those like, he concealed
00:28:02 --> 00:28:04 his presence in the force kind of thing. Oh,
00:28:04 --> 00:28:07 that's dumb. how you go and just conceal the
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 culmination of thousands of years of the rule
00:28:10 --> 00:28:13 of two well the the thousands of years of rule
00:28:13 --> 00:28:15 of two have been kind of hiding for a hot minute
00:28:15 --> 00:28:17 so maybe they got really good at it uh but you
00:28:17 --> 00:28:19 know you might you like you you might be right
00:28:19 --> 00:28:21 like i mean that was one thing that yoda admits
00:28:21 --> 00:28:25 in the uh in the episode three novelization he's
00:28:25 --> 00:28:28 like you know These thousands of years, we Jedi
00:28:28 --> 00:28:30 have remained the same, but the Sith have changed,
00:28:30 --> 00:28:33 and now we can't fight them anymore. Let's see.
00:28:33 --> 00:28:36 Brick3PO says, Force stealth, also referred to
00:28:36 --> 00:28:38 as force concealment or buried presence, was
00:28:38 --> 00:28:41 a power that was used by highly skilled force
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 sensitives to mask their force alignment, their
00:28:43 --> 00:28:45 ability to use... Well, I know about this, but
00:28:45 --> 00:28:50 it's just a possibility. Okay, I see. The thing
00:28:50 --> 00:28:52 about force concealment... and hiding in the
00:28:52 --> 00:28:55 forest that thing that becomes like integral
00:28:55 --> 00:28:59 to the jedi like post yuzang vong war they figure
00:28:59 --> 00:29:01 out how to do that and it's like crack in fact
00:29:01 --> 00:29:04 that's the only reason why jason goddamn stupid
00:29:04 --> 00:29:11 solo kills my badass yeah i miss mara jane in
00:29:11 --> 00:29:14 a tunnel with poison in a tunnel with poison
00:29:14 --> 00:29:19 yeah him uh but yeah i mean that's that's really
00:29:19 --> 00:29:21 all the content that we have i mean like that's
00:29:21 --> 00:29:24 the main part of the content obviously when we
00:29:24 --> 00:29:28 get to you know like 19 20 years after the end
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 of the clone wars we get a bit of a bit more
00:29:31 --> 00:29:33 of lore what were you gonna say yeah i was gonna
00:29:33 --> 00:29:34 say like let's hit let's hit a new hope let's
00:29:34 --> 00:29:38 uh no shit sherlock where we gotta stop he gotta
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 die at some point right okay you're right you're
00:29:40 --> 00:29:44 right but yeah a lot awfully like you were about
00:29:44 --> 00:29:46 to close out something and i was like hold up
00:29:46 --> 00:29:49 Well, I'm closing out that portion because there's
00:29:49 --> 00:29:51 a 10 -year jump skip. The mall fight, again,
00:29:51 --> 00:29:55 excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent symbolism
00:29:55 --> 00:29:59 by Disney. Just the... My favorite part of the
00:29:59 --> 00:30:02 entire fight. And it's not really even dealing
00:30:02 --> 00:30:06 with the dialogue so much as it is him shifting
00:30:06 --> 00:30:10 through his forms, right? Because he starts off
00:30:10 --> 00:30:15 the stance, you know, like how he used to hold
00:30:15 --> 00:30:18 his lightsaber. Then he changes to Qui -Gon's.
00:30:18 --> 00:30:22 He goes, is it his original? Then his, I forget
00:30:22 --> 00:30:25 the order that it's in. Yeah, he goes, I think
00:30:25 --> 00:30:28 it was like. It was his first one. Then it was
00:30:28 --> 00:30:31 his, then it was Qui -Gon's and then it was his,
00:30:31 --> 00:30:33 his like final one, right? No, no, it was, it
00:30:33 --> 00:30:35 was his first one. He is with Qui -Gon. Then
00:30:35 --> 00:30:38 his, then his cocky one. And then Qui -Gon's
00:30:38 --> 00:30:41 won. And then he stops on Qui -Gon's to bait
00:30:41 --> 00:30:43 Maul into fighting him, correct? Correct. Yeah,
00:30:43 --> 00:30:46 and then he's like, well, I've learned from my
00:30:46 --> 00:30:49 mistakes. I don't have the hubris that I did
00:30:49 --> 00:30:52 back then. I'm not angry like I was back then,
00:30:52 --> 00:30:56 you know? And he doesn't have the hubris that
00:30:56 --> 00:30:58 Maul has. Because Maul's like, oh, I know that
00:30:58 --> 00:31:01 stance. I got him. He's dead. This is easy. And
00:31:01 --> 00:31:03 he just charges right in. And then as you made
00:31:03 --> 00:31:08 the comment, he gets sliced the other way. hey
00:31:08 --> 00:31:11 you gotta man's really got quartered by literally
00:31:11 --> 00:31:14 got quartered and then and then there's like
00:31:14 --> 00:31:17 a very brief dialogue between him as he's dying
00:31:17 --> 00:31:20 with obi -wan where he says uh like is is he
00:31:20 --> 00:31:23 the chosen chosen one yeah and obi -wan's like
00:31:23 --> 00:31:26 he is that but he's not he doesn't he's not i'm
00:31:26 --> 00:31:28 not about this again i'm not fighting about the
00:31:28 --> 00:31:31 chosen one shit i'm not fighting about i don't
00:31:31 --> 00:31:34 want to get into this again okay We don't have
00:31:34 --> 00:31:37 enough bandwidth for that, all right? Not with
00:31:37 --> 00:31:40 that attitude. I can argue for hours with you.
00:31:40 --> 00:31:42 Are you joking? Yeah, we've been arguing for
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 like three days. We've been arguing since high
00:31:44 --> 00:31:48 school. Give me more jerky, man. It's in the
00:31:48 --> 00:31:50 freezer. Wait, for real? Yes. This motherfucker
00:31:50 --> 00:31:52 don't realize I'm downstairs. I'll forget my
00:31:52 --> 00:31:54 ass. Don't eat it all because that's my last
00:31:54 --> 00:31:57 bag. No. I will come down there. No, my jerky.
00:31:57 --> 00:31:59 Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sitting
00:31:59 --> 00:32:02 down. I sat down. I sat down. You're a bully.
00:32:02 --> 00:32:04 He's bullying me. Is he coming downstairs? There
00:32:04 --> 00:32:05 better not be jerky in his hand right now. I'll
00:32:05 --> 00:32:08 feed him after this. But yeah, I mean, like,
00:32:08 --> 00:32:11 it was, again, very, very well done. I think
00:32:11 --> 00:32:13 the dialogue could have been better as far as,
00:32:13 --> 00:32:16 like, the chosen one stuff. But I understand
00:32:16 --> 00:32:18 what they were saying, what he was saying, right?
00:32:18 --> 00:32:22 It's so. Because we got Maul's whole thing. He's
00:32:22 --> 00:32:24 like, I want to get back on top. I want to get
00:32:24 --> 00:32:26 back on top. Maul's always trying to get back
00:32:26 --> 00:32:29 on top. And he's predicting Palpatine's plan.
00:32:29 --> 00:32:31 He's trying to get around him, get on top of
00:32:31 --> 00:32:34 his plan, outthink him. He's always trying to
00:32:34 --> 00:32:36 one -up Palpatine, and he always fails because
00:32:36 --> 00:32:39 he sucks. I mean, Maul's awesome, but he sucks.
00:32:39 --> 00:32:43 And he gets whooped, and Maul finally has a little
00:32:43 --> 00:32:46 sense of clarity. He's like, I wasn't the guy.
00:32:46 --> 00:32:50 I wasn't him. that's interesting to think about
00:32:50 --> 00:32:52 when you think you know how like dnd alignments
00:32:52 --> 00:32:56 uh you have it like the the grid like lawful
00:32:56 --> 00:33:01 neutral chaotic i think that as far as star wars
00:33:01 --> 00:33:06 goes maul is the only real example we have of
00:33:06 --> 00:33:10 a neutral evil i think he's the only one neutral
00:33:10 --> 00:33:14 evil because like lawful evil would be like dooku
00:33:14 --> 00:33:17 chaotic evil would be like palpatine or vader
00:33:17 --> 00:33:22 or vader yeah um i feel like asajj asajj kind
00:33:22 --> 00:33:25 of falls into like chaotic good i don't i don't
00:33:25 --> 00:33:27 think chaotic good i think chaotic good is anakin
00:33:27 --> 00:33:31 yeah i think i think asajj ventress falls into
00:33:31 --> 00:33:34 like actual like just neutral territory like
00:33:34 --> 00:33:38 just true neutral see i uh in certain like at
00:33:38 --> 00:33:40 the beginning i don't towards the end she she
00:33:40 --> 00:33:44 was more of a g than she was like she was manipulated
00:33:44 --> 00:33:47 and abused that's why she was the way she was
00:33:47 --> 00:33:48 it wasn't her right right right it wasn't right
00:33:48 --> 00:33:52 and so like i i don't know that she was like
00:33:52 --> 00:33:54 full neutral but i don't think she's full neutral
00:33:54 --> 00:33:56 i think she's just the closest thing that we
00:33:56 --> 00:33:59 would have to that that's fair that's fair she
00:33:59 --> 00:34:02 had all the alignments yeah and then what let's
00:34:02 --> 00:34:05 see like lawful neutral would probably be obi
00:34:05 --> 00:34:09 -wan no he would be lawful good for sure yeah
00:34:09 --> 00:34:12 Lawful neutral would be Mace Windu. Mace Windu,
00:34:12 --> 00:34:15 exactly. Yeah. And then what chaotic neutral
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18 would be like Quinlan Vos, probably. It's the
00:34:18 --> 00:34:21 only one I can really think of. Yeah. Yeah, okay.
00:34:21 --> 00:34:23 I'm trying to think. Chaotic neutral. What would
00:34:23 --> 00:34:26 Balin be then? Balin would be Lawful Evil. Okay.
00:34:26 --> 00:34:29 Because he falls into like the Dooku -esque kind
00:34:29 --> 00:34:33 of character. And then like, I feel like neutral.
00:34:34 --> 00:34:38 good would be like ahsoka probably the ahsoka
00:34:38 --> 00:34:41 the gray shirt i think even ahsoka like I think
00:34:41 --> 00:34:44 Ahsoka post -Mall DeLoreans. Okay, what about
00:34:44 --> 00:34:47 Ahsoka, like, end of Ahsoka's show? I think she's
00:34:47 --> 00:34:49 still, like, neutral good. Like, she's in the
00:34:49 --> 00:34:51 middle of that good part. Because she's not chaotic,
00:34:52 --> 00:34:54 for sure. She's not awful, either. We would have
00:34:54 --> 00:34:56 to see what they follow up with. You're right,
00:34:57 --> 00:35:01 we do. We do, but I do think, like, the post
00:35:01 --> 00:35:04 -Anakin fight thing in the World Between Worlds,
00:35:04 --> 00:35:06 we get more, like, closer towards lawful good
00:35:06 --> 00:35:09 than neutral good. Possibly, but I still feel
00:35:09 --> 00:35:12 like, I mean... She was, she did go against the
00:35:12 --> 00:35:15 New Republic. I feel like that's not lawful.
00:35:15 --> 00:35:18 Lawful? I feel like she wants to lean more towards
00:35:18 --> 00:35:21 chaotic. I don't think she ever leans more towards
00:35:21 --> 00:35:23 lawful at no point. Like maybe when she's like
00:35:23 --> 00:35:26 brand new Jedi hasn't been trained by Anakin
00:35:26 --> 00:35:29 yet. Maybe? No, she was chaotic good at that
00:35:29 --> 00:35:31 point. Well, I feel like she was chaotic good
00:35:31 --> 00:35:34 as soon as she meets him like after their first
00:35:34 --> 00:35:37 mission after the Clone Wars movie because then
00:35:37 --> 00:35:39 she's like, oh, I can get away with this. So
00:35:39 --> 00:35:42 yeah, sure. But like when she first, she tries
00:35:42 --> 00:35:43 to stick to the, she tries. stick to the book
00:35:43 --> 00:35:45 in the beginning but then she's like my master's
00:35:45 --> 00:35:48 not so why would i i think i think once she she
00:35:48 --> 00:35:51 has that conversation with anakin that you know
00:35:51 --> 00:35:53 heated discussion we're getting way off topic
00:35:53 --> 00:35:55 but i think she has that okay it's okay it's
00:35:55 --> 00:35:58 unscripted for a reason she moves I'm not talking
00:35:58 --> 00:36:00 about New Republic law for lawful stuff. I'm
00:36:00 --> 00:36:03 talking about the Jedi law. I think she moves
00:36:03 --> 00:36:05 way more towards lawful good than neutral good
00:36:05 --> 00:36:08 once she's had that closure with Anakin there.
00:36:08 --> 00:36:10 Possibly. Like I said, I still think we'd have
00:36:10 --> 00:36:12 to see more. I love how all of these series are
00:36:12 --> 00:36:14 wrapped around closure with Anakin. Well, yeah,
00:36:14 --> 00:36:17 he's the chosen one. Cough, cough. No comment.
00:36:17 --> 00:36:19 No, you're mad. I can see it in your face. No
00:36:19 --> 00:36:23 comment. Yeah, I can see you. But yeah, Obi -Wan
00:36:23 --> 00:36:26 kind of never really, really shifts. I feel like
00:36:26 --> 00:36:28 if anything, he goes from like lawful good to
00:36:28 --> 00:36:31 neutral good. Like that's basically it. I mean,
00:36:31 --> 00:36:34 I guess he's being, he's a little chaotic to
00:36:34 --> 00:36:36 be like, yo, let's pull up to the Death Star
00:36:36 --> 00:36:37 and I'm gonna go with the tractor beam and then
00:36:37 --> 00:36:40 evaporate. He's like, you know what? I'm gonna
00:36:40 --> 00:36:43 be Qui -Gon for just this last little bit. There's
00:36:43 --> 00:36:46 always a bigger fish. And then of course, I think,
00:36:46 --> 00:36:48 I guess the last thing that we can really wrap
00:36:48 --> 00:36:51 up is, you know, like Tatooine to the. Death
00:36:51 --> 00:36:55 Star I think that I think one of my favorite
00:36:55 --> 00:37:00 moments from A New Hope is Obi -Wan's acknowledgement
00:37:00 --> 00:37:04 of Luke before he fades into the force one thing
00:37:04 --> 00:37:07 that that like and you know honestly it'll almost
00:37:07 --> 00:37:10 make me cry to this day too is just seeing him
00:37:10 --> 00:37:14 turn and look at Luke trying to escape to the
00:37:14 --> 00:37:17 Falcon and then turning back putting his saber
00:37:17 --> 00:37:20 up closing his eyes and just like accepting it
00:37:20 --> 00:37:22 because i feel like he smiles don't forget they
00:37:22 --> 00:37:25 like smirks a little yes yes yes true he's like
00:37:25 --> 00:37:28 watch this shit I feel like that scene means
00:37:28 --> 00:37:33 so much more to me now after seeing Kenobi because
00:37:33 --> 00:37:37 it almost feels like he was doing for Luke what
00:37:37 --> 00:37:40 Anakin popping through the Vader persona did
00:37:40 --> 00:37:43 for him. And of course, we know Luke flips the
00:37:43 --> 00:37:48 f*** out and is sad, of course, because the old
00:37:48 --> 00:37:51 hermit that grew up down the block. is all of
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54 a sudden dead after learning all this and you
00:37:54 --> 00:37:57 know he still you know talks to him as a force
00:37:57 --> 00:38:00 ghost but like i feel like obi -wan was trying
00:38:00 --> 00:38:03 to say like it's in your hands now it's okay
00:38:03 --> 00:38:06 just trust in the force and then he lets himself
00:38:06 --> 00:38:10 fade into the force and again another like pretty
00:38:10 --> 00:38:13 symbolic moment so i'd like to uh i'd like to
00:38:13 --> 00:38:16 discuss this a little bit why they did that here
00:38:16 --> 00:38:18 because i think there was a an interview where
00:38:18 --> 00:38:21 lucas came out and said like obi -wan wasn't
00:38:21 --> 00:38:23 originally gonna die he what they that was like
00:38:23 --> 00:38:25 uh i don't think he should have died no honestly
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28 but but but here's here was the reasoning okay
00:38:28 --> 00:38:31 he wasn't gonna die originally but then they
00:38:31 --> 00:38:32 were gonna get to the fight with the death star
00:38:33 --> 00:38:36 And what was this old man going to be doing while
00:38:36 --> 00:38:38 everyone else is flying the spaceships? How was
00:38:38 --> 00:38:41 how is he going to help Luke out? He was a commander
00:38:41 --> 00:38:43 in the Clone Wars. It doesn't matter. Doesn't
00:38:43 --> 00:38:45 matter. OK, he's not a commander in the rebellion,
00:38:46 --> 00:38:48 that kind of thing, whatever. But this was this
00:38:48 --> 00:38:50 was Lucas said, like there was he was going to
00:38:50 --> 00:38:52 be sitting like twiddling his thumbs during this
00:38:52 --> 00:38:55 fight. What were they going to do with him? Oh,
00:38:55 --> 00:38:58 how is he going to provide guidance to Luke?
00:38:58 --> 00:39:00 Oh, let's make him a ghost. let's make him a
00:39:00 --> 00:39:02 talking ghost that's what that's what they get
00:39:02 --> 00:39:06 for making him so old he he was still in the
00:39:06 --> 00:39:08 star wars universe where they live to be 120
00:39:08 --> 00:39:11 he's not even middle age yet he could have flown
00:39:11 --> 00:39:14 an x -wing and then after that they're like wait
00:39:14 --> 00:39:16 a minute he hasn't doesn't have a teacher no
00:39:16 --> 00:39:18 more now we got to invent another one here comes
00:39:18 --> 00:39:21 a little green frog damn All these old people
00:39:21 --> 00:39:23 f***ing evaporating in front of Luke. I bet he's
00:39:23 --> 00:39:26 scared of steam. Like, Yoda was not in the original
00:39:26 --> 00:39:27 plans, but they needed somebody else to teach
00:39:27 --> 00:39:29 him after they killed off Obi -Wan. Thank God
00:39:29 --> 00:39:32 for Frank Oz. But yeah, they could have... I
00:39:32 --> 00:39:34 feel like that is just poor planning because
00:39:34 --> 00:39:36 Obi -Wan definitely could have done s*** during
00:39:36 --> 00:39:40 the Death Star run. He's not even middle -aged.
00:39:40 --> 00:39:42 But they didn't know that yet. I know, but I'm
00:39:42 --> 00:39:47 saying, now that we know, he's not even middle
00:39:47 --> 00:39:49 -aged, but he looks like he's one foot in the
00:39:49 --> 00:39:52 ground when they pick him up in the... what was
00:39:52 --> 00:39:56 it the dune sea like you try living on a planet
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58 with two suns and it's only a desert and you
00:39:58 --> 00:40:00 don't have any of the like coal stuff to put
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03 around your eyes to protect them and shit i fucking
00:40:03 --> 00:40:06 love the family guy parodies of star wars what
00:40:06 --> 00:40:09 was the what was the episode four one called
00:40:09 --> 00:40:12 blue harvest or something like that where he
00:40:12 --> 00:40:15 goes he tells one of the characters it's luke
00:40:15 --> 00:40:18 so chris he's like yeah i shoot womp rats with
00:40:18 --> 00:40:21 my t16 and then one of the characters goes don't
00:40:21 --> 00:40:24 you know that's the sign of a serial killer and
00:40:24 --> 00:40:27 he goes there's two sons and no women what am
00:40:27 --> 00:40:31 i supposed to do there's two yeah it's all aliens
00:40:31 --> 00:40:34 but yeah that is that is all i have i mean we
00:40:34 --> 00:40:39 get to episode four and we get the closure we
00:40:39 --> 00:40:42 get him his final meeting with vader vader finally
00:40:43 --> 00:40:45 Well, Vader doesn't even technically off him.
00:40:45 --> 00:40:47 He just kind of fades into the forces like the
00:40:47 --> 00:40:49 lightsaber. Which freaked Vader the f*** out.
00:40:49 --> 00:40:52 Good. He deserved it. He absolutely deserved
00:40:52 --> 00:40:54 it. I forget if it was like a novelization or
00:40:54 --> 00:40:56 whatever, but that, that freaked Vader out. Cause
00:40:56 --> 00:40:58 he was like, where the hell did he go? Like,
00:40:58 --> 00:41:01 I just, he specifically talks about like how
00:41:01 --> 00:41:04 my, how his saber didn't come in contact with
00:41:04 --> 00:41:06 anything. He's like something went, something
00:41:06 --> 00:41:07 ain't right. That's gotta be such a piss off.
00:41:07 --> 00:41:10 Imagine getting like KS'd by the force. Like
00:41:10 --> 00:41:14 you finally meet your teacher after 20. After
00:41:14 --> 00:41:17 10 years of getting your ass beat and you're
00:41:17 --> 00:41:19 just like, ha, I'm going to finally kill you
00:41:19 --> 00:41:21 now, old ass man. And Forrest is like, nope.
00:41:21 --> 00:41:23 He's mine. I love doing that when I'm playing
00:41:23 --> 00:41:26 League of Legends. Just, oh, there's a guy across
00:41:26 --> 00:41:28 the map. I'm going to Zoe Q, like, flash ult.
00:41:29 --> 00:41:31 That's my kill. Please do not talk about League
00:41:31 --> 00:41:34 of Legends in my Good Christian podcast. I got
00:41:34 --> 00:41:37 to go back and edit this out now. Why would you?
00:41:37 --> 00:41:39 Just cut it out. I'm just talking. I don't care.
00:41:39 --> 00:41:41 Talking about bad shit. Don't talk about League
00:41:41 --> 00:41:44 of Legends around here. Then why'd you use the
00:41:44 --> 00:41:46 term KS? Because that applies for more than just
00:41:46 --> 00:41:49 League of Legends. KS has been around since fucking
00:41:49 --> 00:41:52 CSGO in the 90s. Shut up. These good Christian
00:41:52 --> 00:41:55 people don't know what a KS is. I'm going to
00:41:55 --> 00:41:57 tell your mama. Do it. She's going to be so disappointed.
00:41:57 --> 00:42:00 In what? Talking about Vader pocket p***ies and
00:42:00 --> 00:42:04 now this. She listens to this. She heard it.
00:42:05 --> 00:42:08 Who? I'm sure. Oh, my God. Someone's selling
00:42:08 --> 00:42:12 a Grand Inquisitor lightsaber on Facebook Marketplace
00:42:12 --> 00:42:14 right now. Facebook Marketplace and finish the
00:42:14 --> 00:42:17 damn podcast. I'm waiting on you to stop talking
00:42:17 --> 00:42:20 about League of Legends first. Oh, yeah. Mm -hmm.
00:42:20 --> 00:42:24 You know we record, right? I can see your face
00:42:24 --> 00:42:29 right now. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached
00:42:29 --> 00:42:32 the end. It is only fitting that we take a moment
00:42:32 --> 00:42:35 to celebrate the life and legacy of a legendary
00:42:35 --> 00:42:39 figure in Star Wars, Obi -Wan Kenobi himself,
00:42:39 --> 00:42:41 Obi -Wan the homie, whatever you want to call
00:42:41 --> 00:42:45 him. He was a wise and skilled Jedi master that
00:42:45 --> 00:42:47 played a pivotal role in shaping the destiny
00:42:47 --> 00:42:50 of the galaxy far, far away. From his early days
00:42:50 --> 00:42:53 as a Padawan under Qui -Gon, who we know as the...
00:42:53 --> 00:42:57 Star Wars hippie that we love to his selfless
00:42:57 --> 00:42:59 sacrifice on the Death Star, Obi -Wan exemplified
00:42:59 --> 00:43:03 the true essence of a Jedi. His teachings, wisdom,
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06 and commitment to the principles of the Force
00:43:06 --> 00:43:09 left an indelible mark on the entire Star Wars
00:43:09 --> 00:43:14 saga, really. Whether he was... Facing down Sith
00:43:14 --> 00:43:17 Lords, leading the clone army, or watching over
00:43:17 --> 00:43:20 a young Luke Skywalker from the shadows of Tatooine,
00:43:20 --> 00:43:22 Obi -Wan's dedication to the greater good never
00:43:22 --> 00:43:26 wavered. As we reflect on his life, let us not
00:43:26 --> 00:43:29 forget the powerful lessons he imparted from
00:43:29 --> 00:43:32 the force will be with you always to you are
00:43:32 --> 00:43:36 the chosen one, Anakin. Obi -Wan's words echo
00:43:36 --> 00:43:39 through the ages, reminding us of the enduring
00:43:39 --> 00:43:42 power of hope, redemption, and the force. In
00:43:42 --> 00:43:45 times of darkness, Obi -Wan Kenobi's unwavering
00:43:45 --> 00:43:50 spirit serves as a beacon inspiring us to stand
00:43:50 --> 00:43:52 against the forces of evil and to believe in
00:43:52 --> 00:43:55 the possibility. redemption. His legacy lives
00:43:55 --> 00:43:58 on not only in the Star Wars universe, but also
00:43:58 --> 00:44:01 in the hearts of fans around the world. So here's
00:44:01 --> 00:44:04 to you, Obi -Wan Kenobi, a Jedi master, a defender
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06 of peace, and a symbol of hope. May the Force
00:44:06 --> 00:44:09 continue to guide us as we carry his teachings
00:44:09 --> 00:44:11 forward and strive to make our own galaxies a
00:44:11 --> 00:44:14 better place. Thank you for joining us on this
00:44:14 --> 00:44:15 journey through the life and legacy of Obi -Wan
00:44:15 --> 00:44:18 Kenobi. And of course, may the Force be with
00:44:18 --> 00:44:19 you always.