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In this episode of "Versus", catch the battle of Anakin Skywalker versus Jacen Solo between NKDA and Wen'Shi
00:00:00 --> 00:00:03 I just be chilling. I catch a stray. I respond
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 with an excessive amount of response. I got blocked
00:00:06 --> 00:00:09 once doing it. It was great. I don't doubt that.
00:00:11 --> 00:00:15 Ask Hunter. You have been known to do some really
00:00:15 --> 00:00:19 odd things. Exorbitant? Sure. We'll call it that.
00:00:20 --> 00:00:22 Hunter, have your fucking headphones charged
00:00:22 --> 00:00:25 yet? Is he AFK? Probably. God damn it. I mean,
00:00:25 --> 00:00:27 you do the same treatment for us. Yeah, but at
00:00:27 --> 00:00:29 least I say something before I just dip. no you
00:00:29 --> 00:00:32 don't if i don't it's an emergency that means
00:00:32 --> 00:00:34 i'm about to piss myself shit myself or dehydrate
00:00:34 --> 00:00:36 on the spot that must happen a lot because you
00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 do that a lot in our dnd sessions i always say
00:00:39 --> 00:00:41 something before i leave our dnd sessions never
00:00:41 --> 00:00:44 not in the beginning i do now for sure like at
00:00:44 --> 00:00:47 least for the past i don't know five to seven
00:00:47 --> 00:00:49 sessions i've said hey i gotta go do something
00:00:49 --> 00:00:51 real quick i'll have my headset on so i can still
00:00:51 --> 00:00:53 hear i somehow don't remember any time you've
00:00:53 --> 00:00:54 ever said that actually you've only said that
00:00:54 --> 00:00:58 once no yes i've said at least once a session
00:00:58 --> 00:00:59 for sure because i always end up having to go
00:00:59 --> 00:01:01 walk obi during the session because that's the
00:01:01 --> 00:01:03 time he goes at night no i mean there would be
00:01:03 --> 00:01:05 times you just get up take a piss and we're like
00:01:05 --> 00:01:07 it's your turn to do something and you're like
00:01:07 --> 00:01:09 we wait and he's like sorry i was taking a piss
00:01:10 --> 00:01:12 In any of those moments, you've never had to
00:01:12 --> 00:01:14 wait more than about 20 seconds. Because my bathroom
00:01:14 --> 00:01:16 is next to my room. But it's just the fact that
00:01:16 --> 00:01:19 you say nothing. Normally because it is a very
00:01:19 --> 00:01:22 short endeavor. If every time I told y 'all I
00:01:22 --> 00:01:23 was going to piss, y 'all would get fucking annoyed
00:01:23 --> 00:01:25 at me saying I'm going to piss. I pee like seven
00:01:25 --> 00:01:28 times a session. Not even an exaggeration. I'd
00:01:28 --> 00:01:31 be drinking big water. I love big water. This
00:01:31 --> 00:01:33 motherfucker's still AFK, so I'm coming through
00:01:33 --> 00:01:36 his speakers. I ain't here at that time. Speakers!
00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 See, now they don't want to work with me. Oh,
00:01:38 --> 00:01:41 oh. What up, bitch? Fuck. What up? Nothing. He's
00:01:41 --> 00:01:43 dramatic. He's talking about, yeah, always. Yes,
00:01:43 --> 00:01:45 he's being very dramatic. Wait, are you complaining
00:01:45 --> 00:01:49 about my speakers? Mm -mm. Yes and no, but yes.
00:01:49 --> 00:01:52 I'm gonna put in my headphones once we start.
00:01:52 --> 00:01:54 Mm, you know what else you can put in? You know
00:01:54 --> 00:01:56 what else he can put in? You know what I'm saying?
00:01:57 --> 00:02:00 No, okay, never mind. Joke's over. I quit. You
00:02:00 --> 00:02:35 win. Ganked by Hunter's wife. Welcome back to
00:02:35 --> 00:02:38 The Force Unscripted, where today we will have
00:02:38 --> 00:02:41 another episode of The Verses for you. This time,
00:02:41 --> 00:02:45 The Verses have changed slightly in that we have
00:02:45 --> 00:02:50 now chosen a set list of characteristics that
00:02:50 --> 00:02:53 the two people debating will have to choose a
00:02:53 --> 00:02:56 specific character that meets the requirements
00:02:56 --> 00:03:00 for all six characteristics. The characteristics
00:03:00 --> 00:03:04 for the episode today are... overall force ability
00:03:04 --> 00:03:08 natural speed physical strength hacking skill
00:03:08 --> 00:03:13 or tech savvy battle iq and lightsaber mastery
00:03:13 --> 00:03:18 and i have just been informed that the two characters
00:03:18 --> 00:03:22 used today are anakin skywalker for nakeda and
00:03:22 --> 00:03:25 jason solo or wenchi obviously he was gonna pick
00:03:25 --> 00:03:28 anakin skywalker like of course the second the
00:03:28 --> 00:03:31 thing the second the the categories popped up
00:03:31 --> 00:03:33 he was like oh i know who everyone's gonna pick
00:03:33 --> 00:03:36 yeah everyone's gonna pick fucking anakin skywalker
00:03:36 --> 00:03:39 of course bro i'm picking the win why wouldn't
00:03:39 --> 00:03:42 i go with the the best option that there is huh
00:03:42 --> 00:03:44 that's why i didn't pick it so you picked to
00:03:44 --> 00:03:47 lose what no i picked because i knew you were
00:03:47 --> 00:03:53 gonna pick him what so you you you picked to
00:03:53 --> 00:03:57 lose okay we can't have the same character right
00:03:57 --> 00:04:00 yeah okay And I knew you were going to pick.
00:04:00 --> 00:04:02 You could have picked someone. You could have
00:04:02 --> 00:04:05 said someone's off limit. Oh, I mean, I already
00:04:05 --> 00:04:07 won. He admitted defeat. I didn't admit defeat.
00:04:08 --> 00:04:11 I just said that was the obvious choice. I mean,
00:04:11 --> 00:04:13 yeah, I think I think it really is like I like
00:04:13 --> 00:04:17 your pick for sure. But I don't I don't see Jason
00:04:17 --> 00:04:20 Solo beating Anakin in overall force ability.
00:04:20 --> 00:04:23 I don't see him being beating him in natural
00:04:23 --> 00:04:25 speed either, because Anakin was fucking ripped
00:04:25 --> 00:04:28 to all. like all heavens so in physical strength
00:04:28 --> 00:04:30 I mean like he's already down on physical strength
00:04:30 --> 00:04:32 too because like if you count Anakin's robotic
00:04:32 --> 00:04:35 arm like that's still part of his physical strength
00:04:35 --> 00:04:38 that shit fucking insane as far as like tech
00:04:38 --> 00:04:41 savviness I mean like he was literally like I
00:04:41 --> 00:04:43 forget what the the the for it's like a techno
00:04:43 --> 00:04:46 something um but like it's something that he's
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 he's specifically like in tuned with machines
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 that's why his pod racer is fucking good built
00:04:52 --> 00:04:56 from trash c -3po is a thing like and he constructed
00:04:56 --> 00:04:58 what is basically like i don't know almost a
00:04:58 --> 00:05:01 perfect lightsaber design and even his namesake
00:05:01 --> 00:05:03 grandson the brother of your character anakin
00:05:03 --> 00:05:05 was named for his likeness to anakin and also
00:05:05 --> 00:05:08 had that same like force tech ability so i got
00:05:08 --> 00:05:11 two anakins on that one as far as battle iq i
00:05:11 --> 00:05:14 mean like he became a jedi in wartime he just
00:05:14 --> 00:05:18 He was a badass commander for a reason. And then
00:05:18 --> 00:05:20 lightsaber mastery, I mean, even as Vader, you
00:05:20 --> 00:05:24 see the combinations and fluidity between his
00:05:24 --> 00:05:27 forms. I just think that there's no way Jason
00:05:27 --> 00:05:30 Solo holds a candle to him in any of these, really.
00:05:31 --> 00:05:35 Okay, let's look at force ability first. I have
00:05:35 --> 00:05:37 a quick question. Yes, boss. Are we going to
00:05:37 --> 00:05:41 differentiate Anakin and Vader in this specific
00:05:41 --> 00:05:43 scenario? That is a great, wonderful question.
00:05:44 --> 00:05:46 Am I supposed to answer that one? Yes, because
00:05:46 --> 00:05:49 it's your character. Hmm. Well, I mean, like,
00:05:49 --> 00:05:52 Vader is Anakin Skywalker. I feel like you can
00:05:52 --> 00:05:55 count the stuff that Vader did as Anakin Skywalker,
00:05:55 --> 00:05:57 but not the reverse. Because Vader goes back
00:05:57 --> 00:06:01 to being Anakin. Irregardless of whether Vader
00:06:01 --> 00:06:04 is separate. For this to be, I'll just use, like,
00:06:04 --> 00:06:06 Anakin. Okay, you know what? No, no, no. Okay,
00:06:07 --> 00:06:09 I was going to say, because, like, in the Obi
00:06:09 --> 00:06:13 -Wan show. Vader specifically says, you did it.
00:06:13 --> 00:06:16 I killed him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want to
00:06:16 --> 00:06:18 do a little quote? I heard you getting ready
00:06:18 --> 00:06:22 for the voice. No, it's fine. It's fine. I was
00:06:22 --> 00:06:24 getting ready for it, but that's fine. No, no.
00:06:25 --> 00:06:27 You decided to interrupt. That's on you. You
00:06:27 --> 00:06:28 could have had me doing a shitty impression,
00:06:28 --> 00:06:31 but here we are. You can still do it. It's not
00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 too late. No, it's okay. It's all good. It's
00:06:33 --> 00:06:35 all good. I don't feel like embarrassing myself
00:06:35 --> 00:06:41 now. Yeah, so... just to mustafar right or just
00:06:41 --> 00:06:44 to like right before post mustafar um until he
00:06:44 --> 00:06:46 becomes the pocket pussy until he becomes the
00:06:46 --> 00:06:49 pocket pussy in that case force ability i am
00:06:49 --> 00:06:51 gonna give it to jason here because if i have
00:06:51 --> 00:06:54 to make this distinction you also have to specify
00:06:54 --> 00:06:56 is this jason solo or is this cadis if i have
00:06:56 --> 00:06:58 to make that distinction so do you bro he was
00:06:58 --> 00:07:02 always jason solo though okay but he was always
00:07:02 --> 00:07:05 anakin skywalker he literally has like two personalities
00:07:05 --> 00:07:08 he switches between them in the world between
00:07:08 --> 00:07:10 worlds they're like two separate people in one
00:07:10 --> 00:07:13 he has he has personality disorders all right
00:07:13 --> 00:07:16 the only people who call cadis jason are the
00:07:16 --> 00:07:18 people trying to redeem him and he kills one
00:07:18 --> 00:07:21 of them that is not jason solo that is cadis
00:07:21 --> 00:07:23 at that point so what's your distinction either
00:07:23 --> 00:07:25 way is your line but where's your line okay no
00:07:25 --> 00:07:27 no either way when does he come back and say
00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 he's cadis is it before or after the five -year
00:07:30 --> 00:07:33 journey It's gotta be during. I'm pretty sure
00:07:33 --> 00:07:36 it's after. He went on the... Oh, well, you're
00:07:36 --> 00:07:38 right, because Lumia named him after the journey.
00:07:38 --> 00:07:40 Uh -huh. So, that's what I'm talking about right
00:07:40 --> 00:07:42 now. Everything up until then. Because after
00:07:42 --> 00:07:45 that, it's... He's still got the same abilities.
00:07:45 --> 00:07:47 He's just a different name. I'm cool with that.
00:07:47 --> 00:07:49 We don't know that he has Shatterpoint, though,
00:07:49 --> 00:07:52 at that point. Well, we just don't see him use
00:07:52 --> 00:07:54 it. We don't know that he knows it, though. He
00:07:54 --> 00:07:55 could have learned it when he found out he was
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 up against Mandalorian. Like, within the five
00:07:58 --> 00:08:01 seconds of that battle starting? Possibly. You
00:08:01 --> 00:08:05 don't know. I feel like he was a little too clean
00:08:05 --> 00:08:08 with it for that to be something he thought on
00:08:08 --> 00:08:10 the fly. Okay, well, I'll give it to you on that.
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 But until Lumia calls him Cadis, until that battle
00:08:13 --> 00:08:15 at the fucking moon during the fucking ant or
00:08:15 --> 00:08:19 spider queen shit, whatever, he's good. The Killick
00:08:19 --> 00:08:21 stuff? Yeah. After the Killick stuff is when
00:08:21 --> 00:08:24 Lumia names him. So... If we look at his journey,
00:08:24 --> 00:08:27 we can see that he literally spent five years
00:08:27 --> 00:08:30 just learning like different force abilities,
00:08:30 --> 00:08:34 diving into like the intricacies of the force,
00:08:34 --> 00:08:36 the dark side, the light side, all of that. He
00:08:36 --> 00:08:40 goes into, he looks into the fountain of what's
00:08:40 --> 00:08:44 it called? The knowledge, right? Gains the time
00:08:44 --> 00:08:47 walking. What is that called? I forget. Flow
00:08:47 --> 00:08:49 walking. Flow walking, which I don't think we
00:08:49 --> 00:08:53 ever see Anakin do. before or even after mustafar
00:08:53 --> 00:08:58 so already i think jason has more overall force
00:08:58 --> 00:09:02 ability like in technique and control that kind
00:09:02 --> 00:09:05 of stuff whereas sure anakin is the powerhouse
00:09:05 --> 00:09:09 that's we know that but i would say in like actual
00:09:09 --> 00:09:13 ability versus just brute force jason's gonna
00:09:13 --> 00:09:16 take the cake there because he did spend the
00:09:16 --> 00:09:20 time and the effort to like go on a self uh discovery
00:09:20 --> 00:09:22 kind of journey thing yeah but to say that is
00:09:22 --> 00:09:25 to say that like you're the the the category
00:09:25 --> 00:09:28 is overall force ability and you're talking about
00:09:28 --> 00:09:30 like multiple different abilities i feel like
00:09:30 --> 00:09:33 you can't have that talk without talking about
00:09:33 --> 00:09:36 like one the massive pool and command of the
00:09:36 --> 00:09:39 force that anakin has is that not what i just
00:09:39 --> 00:09:42 said no but what i'm saying is like at a certain
00:09:42 --> 00:09:45 point your little intricate details different
00:09:45 --> 00:09:48 skills that you learn doesn't matter if the other
00:09:48 --> 00:09:50 person on the other side can just grab you and
00:09:50 --> 00:09:53 throw you against your will when are you gonna
00:09:53 --> 00:09:56 fucking use those powers i hear what you're saying
00:09:56 --> 00:10:00 but also when has having more utility been a
00:10:00 --> 00:10:02 bad thing i'm not saying it's a bad thing but
00:10:02 --> 00:10:05 i'm saying like if you come at me with a pair
00:10:05 --> 00:10:08 of scissors and i have a fucking mallet i'm gonna
00:10:08 --> 00:10:10 beat your shit in not if i dodge the mallet and
00:10:10 --> 00:10:12 stab you with the scissors you still gonna get
00:10:12 --> 00:10:15 hit with a fucking mallet okay but a mallet isn't
00:10:15 --> 00:10:17 gonna fucking pierce my skin the scissors will
00:10:17 --> 00:10:20 pierce yours it's it's not what tools you have
00:10:20 --> 00:10:22 it's how you use them think about it because
00:10:22 --> 00:10:24 if you fucking pulled out a lightsaber right
00:10:24 --> 00:10:27 now you And you weighed 200 more pounds than
00:10:27 --> 00:10:30 me. I want to call quits on it because I am infamously
00:10:30 --> 00:10:32 bad with lightsabers. This is just unfair to
00:10:32 --> 00:10:35 begin with. So no, we're going to stop right
00:10:35 --> 00:10:37 there. I can agree with that fact. He is terrible
00:10:37 --> 00:10:39 with a lightsaber. I don't need a fact check
00:10:39 --> 00:10:43 on that. No, we definitely did. I admitted to
00:10:43 --> 00:10:46 it. The lightsaber you see in all of our graphics.
00:10:46 --> 00:10:49 It's just for show. You know what? I'm not going
00:10:49 --> 00:10:51 to sit here and take this. I see what you're
00:10:51 --> 00:10:54 saying. I think that. I don't know. Brick3PO,
00:10:54 --> 00:10:57 can we get an overall explanation on what you
00:10:57 --> 00:10:59 meant when you picked the category overall force
00:10:59 --> 00:11:01 ability? Like, because I feel like depending
00:11:01 --> 00:11:04 on how Brick defines force ability, because I
00:11:04 --> 00:11:07 took it as more of like raw power, but as you
00:11:07 --> 00:11:09 mentioned, like, and I have to give it to you
00:11:09 --> 00:11:10 on that one. If it talks about like different
00:11:10 --> 00:11:13 skills within the force, Jason definitely beats
00:11:13 --> 00:11:16 Anakin, but I just feel like with... anakin's
00:11:16 --> 00:11:19 overall force potential being a being made completely
00:11:19 --> 00:11:21 of you know like conceived from midichlorians
00:11:21 --> 00:11:24 being forced jesus i mean cut down before his
00:11:24 --> 00:11:26 prime but i mean like we're not including vader
00:11:26 --> 00:11:29 vader still did some fucking wicked shit but
00:11:29 --> 00:11:32 i mean like it depends on how brick defines overall
00:11:32 --> 00:11:35 force ability overall force ability how well
00:11:35 --> 00:11:38 they can use said force the amount of force that
00:11:38 --> 00:11:41 they can use is somewhat negligent because you
00:11:41 --> 00:11:45 can have a large pool but a very small control
00:11:45 --> 00:11:49 over it. So, techniques that can be used, horse
00:11:49 --> 00:11:51 abilities that can be mastered, things of the
00:11:51 --> 00:11:55 sort. It's not just pure, raw horse power. Then
00:11:55 --> 00:11:56 I feel like even if you count it like that, either
00:11:56 --> 00:11:59 our characters are tired or mine wins. Because
00:11:59 --> 00:12:01 I'm fully convinced there was nothing that Anakin
00:12:01 --> 00:12:03 could not learn. Okay, but we're not talking
00:12:03 --> 00:12:05 about potential to learn. We're talking about
00:12:05 --> 00:12:08 things they knew. He said can be. He said can
00:12:08 --> 00:12:11 be. I listened to his words. We record. I am
00:12:11 --> 00:12:13 just going off of what their current arsenals
00:12:13 --> 00:12:18 are at the moment. So you... Hold on, just asking
00:12:18 --> 00:12:20 for clarification. I understand. The number of
00:12:20 --> 00:12:23 abilities that can be used. The tools that they
00:12:23 --> 00:12:25 have at their disposal and how well they can
00:12:25 --> 00:12:28 use them is the end all that I have are asking.
00:12:28 --> 00:12:31 It's not whether they can learn it in the future
00:12:31 --> 00:12:33 if they have the ability to learn it. It's just
00:12:33 --> 00:12:38 here is their skill set that they pursued and
00:12:38 --> 00:12:42 how well... I still feel like Anakin did his
00:12:42 --> 00:12:45 perfectly, so how does that stand? Because of
00:12:45 --> 00:12:47 what he could use and how he used it, I mean,
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 he used it like Force Jesus would. If you're
00:12:49 --> 00:12:51 talking about Jason, what he could use and how
00:12:51 --> 00:12:55 he used it, he used it for some not -so -good
00:12:55 --> 00:12:58 things. You know, so did Anakin. Yeah, I mean,
00:12:58 --> 00:13:03 that's his grandpa. He did kind of idolize him,
00:13:03 --> 00:13:05 didn't he? I mean, he literally got compared
00:13:05 --> 00:13:08 to Anakin, like, by the military people of his
00:13:08 --> 00:13:12 time. Didn't, um, didn't Palaen make that comparison,
00:13:12 --> 00:13:14 too? No, it was, like, the whole gag, which I
00:13:14 --> 00:13:17 thought was a funny name. The Galactic Alliance.
00:13:18 --> 00:13:20 whatever they were the gag the gag they were
00:13:20 --> 00:13:22 all like wow you're like your grandpa and he
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 got a fucking ego boner from that so you know
00:13:25 --> 00:13:27 what and in enforceability and overall for i'll
00:13:27 --> 00:13:30 just give you this one fuck it you can have this
00:13:30 --> 00:13:32 specific one i still shit on you and all other
00:13:32 --> 00:13:34 ones yeah this is the one i was gonna fight the
00:13:34 --> 00:13:37 hardest for i will say the ability to walk back
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 in time is kind of busted isn't it that's how
00:13:40 --> 00:13:43 he got tahiri on his side Because he was like,
00:13:43 --> 00:13:45 hey, you want to go kiss your boy again? You
00:13:45 --> 00:13:47 want to go tell him you liked him before he gets
00:13:47 --> 00:13:49 himself off? And then all of a sudden he had
00:13:49 --> 00:13:51 an apprentice. I mean, he literally got the worst
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 kind of rebound, pussy. Like, how do you show
00:13:54 --> 00:13:57 your dead brother's ex, your dead brother dying
00:13:57 --> 00:13:59 again, and then be like, let's fuck. Got to get
00:13:59 --> 00:14:01 those emotions out somehow. That's crazy toxic.
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 All right, come on. You got to give me natural
00:14:03 --> 00:14:05 speed and physical strength and also tech savviness
00:14:05 --> 00:14:07 because fucking Jason sucked with computers.
00:14:07 --> 00:14:09 He was the fucking animal boy. He liked fucking
00:14:09 --> 00:14:12 collecting little snakes and shit and hiding
00:14:12 --> 00:14:14 them in the temple. Yeah, I was debating between
00:14:14 --> 00:14:17 Jason or Jaina, but I felt like I could maybe
00:14:17 --> 00:14:20 argue more for Jason's categories than Jaina,
00:14:20 --> 00:14:23 but I would have argued. the hacking tech savvy
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 for her she wasn't really hacking or tech savvy
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 she was a good pilot she was that kind of tech
00:14:28 --> 00:14:31 savvy which i mean is i mean she could anakin
00:14:31 --> 00:14:34 was started off as too like she could fix her
00:14:34 --> 00:14:36 her ship and stuff but like even then anakin
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 could like build fucking droids from scratch
00:14:38 --> 00:14:41 oh yeah i'm not gonna argue that anybody was
00:14:41 --> 00:14:43 any of my other possible choices would be better
00:14:43 --> 00:14:47 at him at that i mean he built c -3po as a kid
00:14:47 --> 00:14:50 when he was like eight or nine and that annoying
00:14:50 --> 00:14:55 motherfucker is still walking around i have you
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 on my face it's kind of affordable so yeah i
00:14:58 --> 00:15:00 think i got you and everything else though buddy
00:15:00 --> 00:15:02 i'm sorry okay okay kind of you could kind of
00:15:02 --> 00:15:06 make a argument for maybe battle iq but i was
00:15:06 --> 00:15:08 gonna say the closest my next one would be battle
00:15:08 --> 00:15:12 iq But that's comparing, like, naval assaults
00:15:12 --> 00:15:14 to fucking ground assaults. Well, I guess Anakin
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 did naval assaults, too, but, like, his plan
00:15:17 --> 00:15:20 is just, hey, smash it with that shit, and that
00:15:20 --> 00:15:21 shit gets smashed, smash it with some more shit,
00:15:22 --> 00:15:24 and then run in. So, yeah, I think Jason has
00:15:24 --> 00:15:27 better value than Anakin. It depends on what
00:15:27 --> 00:15:29 kind of battle, though. Like, in a naval battle,
00:15:29 --> 00:15:32 yeah, sure. Yeah, okay, are we talking about,
00:15:32 --> 00:15:36 like, 1v1's battle, or, like, you know, hand
00:15:36 --> 00:15:37 -to -hand battle IQ kind of thing, or are we
00:15:37 --> 00:15:40 talking, like, military command battle IQ for
00:15:40 --> 00:15:45 battle IQ break? The, hmm, this one was something
00:15:45 --> 00:15:47 that was a little bit up in the air that I should
00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 have asked for clarification for when making
00:15:49 --> 00:15:53 the list. In the sense of what you guys are mentioning
00:15:53 --> 00:15:57 in the latter, where it's, like, 1v1? I think
00:15:57 --> 00:16:01 that would coincide with the other trait asked
00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 for, which was close quarters combat mastery.
00:16:04 --> 00:16:08 So I believe just overall battle IQ would be
00:16:08 --> 00:16:12 either it can be done in a small scale and or
00:16:12 --> 00:16:14 large scale. By large scale, you would mean like
00:16:14 --> 00:16:16 a ground assault though, right? Ground assault,
00:16:16 --> 00:16:19 leading of fleets, whichever they have command
00:16:19 --> 00:16:23 over. Some of these qualities can be done for
00:16:23 --> 00:16:26 a normal human. So if we were to say something
00:16:26 --> 00:16:29 like Admiral Ackbar, who is a legitimate admiral,
00:16:30 --> 00:16:32 I feel like his battle IQ would be fairly high.
00:16:33 --> 00:16:35 Okay, I got you. See, I'm gonna give battle IQ
00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 to Jason here just because he actually did have
00:16:38 --> 00:16:41 some good -ass battle IQ. And Vader slash Anakin,
00:16:41 --> 00:16:46 either persona, is mainly smash it with big shit.
00:16:46 --> 00:16:48 I mean, okay, for like a naval assault, that's
00:16:48 --> 00:16:50 not the play. But for like for ground assaults
00:16:50 --> 00:16:52 and shit... I mean, it always worked in his favor.
00:16:53 --> 00:16:55 That doesn't mean he had good battle IQ. It just
00:16:55 --> 00:16:58 means he fucking brute forced everything. Me
00:16:58 --> 00:17:03 smash, okay? Me smash, Anika smash, good smash,
00:17:03 --> 00:17:05 smash good. Fine, you can have that one. Fuck
00:17:05 --> 00:17:09 you. Lightsaber mastery? I don't know as much
00:17:09 --> 00:17:12 about Jason's lightsaber mastery, but I mean,
00:17:12 --> 00:17:15 he was good enough that he beat Mara. With poison.
00:17:15 --> 00:17:18 That doesn't even count. Yeah, it doesn't. You're
00:17:18 --> 00:17:19 right. It's fucking poison. I'm just trying to
00:17:19 --> 00:17:23 rub salt in my wounds. I mean, Jaina was... She
00:17:23 --> 00:17:26 was the sword of the Jedi, right? Mm -hmm. And
00:17:26 --> 00:17:28 he was kicking her ass until he got distracted.
00:17:28 --> 00:17:31 I mean... Jason doesn't have an... I feel like
00:17:31 --> 00:17:34 Jason doesn't have enough lightsaber feet to
00:17:34 --> 00:17:37 say that he's a lightsaber master. Like, I guess
00:17:37 --> 00:17:40 he... That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like, he's
00:17:40 --> 00:17:43 not the fighting type. I am currently looking
00:17:43 --> 00:17:47 at... a lightsaber skill for Jason Solo. It is
00:17:47 --> 00:17:50 said he has a natural talent for fencing. Considered
00:17:50 --> 00:17:53 one of the best duelists in the Traxium shortly
00:17:53 --> 00:17:56 after constructing his lightsaber. Uh, by the
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 time he was a Sith Lord, was a deadly duelist,
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 able to engage multiple Jedi at a time, and even
00:18:02 --> 00:18:05 battle against Battlemaster Kyle Katarn with
00:18:05 --> 00:18:08 little effort. He fought Kyle? I don't remember
00:18:08 --> 00:18:10 fighting Kyle. I remember they fucked up Tion
00:18:10 --> 00:18:14 and Cam, but that wasn't with a lightsaber. And,
00:18:14 --> 00:18:17 I mean, he did get himself stabbed in the back
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 by Ben. I just think that if we're talking about
00:18:20 --> 00:18:22 lightsaber mastery, like, that's basically all
00:18:22 --> 00:18:25 Anakin did outside of repair his starship when
00:18:25 --> 00:18:27 he had free time. Yeah, he's the master of Form
00:18:27 --> 00:18:30 5, right? It was 5, right? Or was it 4? Yeah,
00:18:30 --> 00:18:33 it was 5. I mean, like, he knew all the forms,
00:18:33 --> 00:18:36 too. Like, Jason, by the time you get... to...
00:18:37 --> 00:18:39 The Jedi Praxium that Luke started, I don't even
00:18:39 --> 00:18:41 think you have anywhere near a comparable amount
00:18:41 --> 00:18:44 of material on the lightsaber forms and stuff
00:18:44 --> 00:18:47 by that time. Anakin was at the temple able to,
00:18:47 --> 00:18:50 you know, spar with different masters, different
00:18:50 --> 00:18:52 knights, different Padawans. Like, yes, Jason
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 could do the same, but not nearly on the scale
00:18:55 --> 00:18:57 that Anakin could expose himself to. I feel like
00:18:57 --> 00:19:01 that grants, like, he's already born, like, five
00:19:01 --> 00:19:03 steps ahead of Jason is. Because when Jason gets
00:19:03 --> 00:19:05 to the Academy, the Academy's only been around
00:19:05 --> 00:19:07 for, like, three or four years at that point
00:19:07 --> 00:19:09 yeah so where it's like functioning past like
00:19:09 --> 00:19:11 the initial group of like i think like eight
00:19:11 --> 00:19:14 to twelve jedi that luke had yeah it was just
00:19:14 --> 00:19:17 that small cohort wasn't it no i i i won't argue
00:19:17 --> 00:19:22 that uh jason was better than anakin at at lightsaber
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 i think he might have been like getting up there
00:19:24 --> 00:19:28 as good but anakin was there was no way that
00:19:28 --> 00:19:31 jason could have gone that many rounds against
00:19:31 --> 00:19:35 obi -wan on mustafar Like, let's look at it that
00:19:35 --> 00:19:37 way, right? There's no way Jason would have lasted
00:19:37 --> 00:19:40 that long against Obi -Wan. He was the defensive,
00:19:40 --> 00:19:43 like, master on the council at the time, right?
00:19:43 --> 00:19:46 That's what it was. Yeah, so, like, Obi -Wan
00:19:46 --> 00:19:49 is a master of defense. And, I mean, Anakin had
00:19:49 --> 00:19:52 him, you know, they were equal. I don't think
00:19:52 --> 00:19:56 Jason would have been equal to Obi -Wan at that
00:19:56 --> 00:19:57 point. Thinking of all, like, the places that
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 he studied and everything. In his, like, five
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 -year journey, none of them would have given
00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 him an edge against Anakin in this category,
00:20:05 --> 00:20:08 I would think. But that's the beauty of this
00:20:08 --> 00:20:10 new form of versus that we're doing, is that
00:20:10 --> 00:20:13 your character doesn't have to win every category,
00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 just enough that it's a majority, right? All
00:20:16 --> 00:20:18 right. Which makes me think that we should do
00:20:18 --> 00:20:22 five or seven instead of six. I was going to
00:20:22 --> 00:20:25 make or add more to the overall list to make
00:20:25 --> 00:20:28 it seven, but I... ran out of time and or could
00:20:28 --> 00:20:30 not figure out any other topics so i should have
00:20:30 --> 00:20:33 made it back down to five hell yeah this will
00:20:33 --> 00:20:35 be done in the future yeah because then that
00:20:35 --> 00:20:37 way there's no ties uh this way you know we can
00:20:37 --> 00:20:40 we can tie potentially we won't uh but we could
00:20:40 --> 00:20:43 so okay what we we have left so i have battle
00:20:43 --> 00:20:47 iq and i have force ability you have hacking
00:20:47 --> 00:20:49 skill and lightsaber mastery so let's look at
00:20:49 --> 00:20:53 speed and physical strength I already beat you
00:20:53 --> 00:20:55 on that one, buddy. I'm sorry. I don't... Okay,
00:20:55 --> 00:20:59 but does just physical strength, no force augmentation,
00:20:59 --> 00:21:03 does Anakin have more physical strength than...
00:21:03 --> 00:21:07 Jason was lanky. Like, Jason was lanky. Anakin
00:21:07 --> 00:21:10 had a robotic arm and was swole as shit from
00:21:10 --> 00:21:13 just constant combat and military practice. Like,
00:21:13 --> 00:21:17 that dude was a walking fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger
00:21:17 --> 00:21:20 in a... 21 year old body clarification for brick
00:21:20 --> 00:21:24 does physical strength include uh prosthetics
00:21:24 --> 00:21:26 just curious i'm not i'm not gonna argue it i'm
00:21:26 --> 00:21:29 just like for instance if if we fucking i put
00:21:29 --> 00:21:31 grievous in here is grievous really strong or
00:21:31 --> 00:21:33 is he just a fucking robot he has high physical
00:21:33 --> 00:21:36 strength as a robot what is that really physical
00:21:36 --> 00:21:39 strength or is that fucking he can no or is it
00:21:39 --> 00:21:43 hydraulics that's part of physical strength so
00:21:43 --> 00:21:46 so you're telling me That if I brought a backhoe
00:21:46 --> 00:21:49 into this category, it would win. I mean, can
00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 you punch a backhoe until it breaks? Then if
00:21:52 --> 00:21:54 the person can punch the backhoe until it broke,
00:21:54 --> 00:21:57 then yes. Otherwise, fuck no. A backhoe also
00:21:57 --> 00:21:59 doesn't have any independent strength of its
00:21:59 --> 00:22:02 own. It's dependent on, like... the torque and
00:22:02 --> 00:22:04 power generated by the person thank you that
00:22:04 --> 00:22:07 just answered my grievous question but he is
00:22:07 --> 00:22:10 the tool he's not a tool so therefore the tool
00:22:10 --> 00:22:11 is independent in this case it doesn't grievous
00:22:11 --> 00:22:14 is a tool he's literally a brain and a fucking
00:22:14 --> 00:22:17 heart okay but everything else is servos and
00:22:17 --> 00:22:20 hydraulics if that's that was my exoskeleton
00:22:20 --> 00:22:23 broke you in half would you be like oh yeah it
00:22:23 --> 00:22:26 was the exoskeleton that killed winchy not grievous
00:22:26 --> 00:22:28 like no you'd be like grievous fucking murked
00:22:28 --> 00:22:31 winchy like okay and if i ran over you with a
00:22:31 --> 00:22:36 fucking backhoe and you died would you say oh
00:22:36 --> 00:22:39 it was the backhoe yes no That motherfucker had
00:22:39 --> 00:22:41 to use a weapon because his hands wasn't enough.
00:22:41 --> 00:22:43 Yes, I would say the backhoe killed him. He had
00:22:43 --> 00:22:46 to use a weapon? Okay, see, I'm saying if the
00:22:46 --> 00:22:49 backhoe had, like, a droid personality in it.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:50 Rebus is not using a weapon, though. He is the
00:22:50 --> 00:22:55 weapon. Okay, if a backhoe had brick 3PO installed
00:22:55 --> 00:22:57 in that bitch. Then I would absolutely say that
00:22:57 --> 00:22:59 that backhoe had more physical strength than
00:22:59 --> 00:23:01 me. If it was a sentient fucking backhoe that
00:23:01 --> 00:23:03 could just whack itself midair and swing itself
00:23:03 --> 00:23:06 at me, yeah, I would win. It fucking just bludgeoned
00:23:06 --> 00:23:08 me to death. Okay, we've clarified this category
00:23:08 --> 00:23:11 now. Did you just want to hear me say that I
00:23:11 --> 00:23:16 would get folded by a backhoe? Yes! Yes, I did!
00:23:17 --> 00:23:20 Yeah, it... I've never seen we've never seen
00:23:20 --> 00:23:24 Jason in media format, right? We've only ever
00:23:24 --> 00:23:27 seen him in books and comics. So I would not
00:23:27 --> 00:23:30 try to argue that his his physical capabilities
00:23:30 --> 00:23:34 were more than our boy Hayden Christensen. I
00:23:34 --> 00:23:35 don't think his natural speed was either. Anakin
00:23:35 --> 00:23:38 was always fucking booking it across them fields.
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 You see it in Clone Wars. You see it in the micro
00:23:40 --> 00:23:43 series. Kind of see it in episode two, not three,
00:23:43 --> 00:23:48 really. So for speed, I mean, OK. If you have
00:23:48 --> 00:23:51 strong physical strength and you're not fat,
00:23:52 --> 00:23:54 I feel like you're going to have more speed than
00:23:54 --> 00:23:56 somebody, right, who's smaller with the same,
00:23:57 --> 00:24:00 like, qualifications. So this, okay, so this
00:24:00 --> 00:24:02 one says natural speed. The other one doesn't
00:24:02 --> 00:24:05 say natural physical strength. So, okay, okay,
00:24:05 --> 00:24:07 this makes sense. Physical strength can include
00:24:07 --> 00:24:10 the fucking cybernetics, but natural speed would
00:24:10 --> 00:24:12 be running with your own two damn feet. There's
00:24:12 --> 00:24:16 also the forced enhance ability for forced speed.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:19 I can enhance how fast you move, and I wanted
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 to make sure there was a distinction between
00:24:21 --> 00:24:25 that two. That's literally what I was thinking
00:24:25 --> 00:24:29 of, was the ability to enhance your speed with
00:24:29 --> 00:24:31 the Force. Which, I get it. The natural. I can
00:24:31 --> 00:24:33 assume that Anakin did it, because Obi -Wan did
00:24:33 --> 00:24:59 it, but like... For clarification, it is said
00:24:59 --> 00:25:03 that Jason's solo work... As he was, Dark Cadis
00:25:03 --> 00:25:07 was a very proficient and skilled user of Force
00:25:07 --> 00:25:09 Speed. But that's Cadis. But either way, it wouldn't
00:25:09 --> 00:25:12 apply to this category because that would be
00:25:12 --> 00:25:14 Augment. It just sounded like you said he didn't
00:25:14 --> 00:25:18 use it at all. No, I said I didn't know that
00:25:18 --> 00:25:19 he used it. I just assumed that he did because
00:25:19 --> 00:25:22 it's a Force Augment and most Jedi can just innately
00:25:22 --> 00:25:24 kind of do that shit. What I was going to mean
00:25:24 --> 00:25:27 was the fact that, like, Jason... In, like, a
00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 lot of his, like, early books where he's, like,
00:25:31 --> 00:25:34 a preteen and an early teen, always talks about
00:25:34 --> 00:25:37 how he's fucking winded when he's running, even
00:25:37 --> 00:25:40 into his, like, late teen years. I can't imagine
00:25:40 --> 00:25:43 a fucking late teen Anakin being winded while
00:25:43 --> 00:25:45 running at any point in time. That's what I'm
00:25:45 --> 00:25:48 going to hold him on. Yeah, that, okay, yeah,
00:25:48 --> 00:25:52 late teen Anakin jumped from a speeder, a moving
00:25:52 --> 00:25:56 speeder, in the flyer lanes of Coruscant. and
00:25:56 --> 00:26:00 didn't break a sweat catching uh zam right so
00:26:00 --> 00:26:04 uh yeah i'm gonna say that uh anakin was probably
00:26:04 --> 00:26:07 more physically fit and in that you know case
00:26:07 --> 00:26:10 capable of running fucking faster and for fucking
00:26:10 --> 00:26:13 longer too harder better faster stronger i love
00:26:13 --> 00:26:17 that song i love i love the the kanye remix of
00:26:17 --> 00:26:20 it i don't love kanye no but I like the remake.
00:26:20 --> 00:26:21 It's a good Jim song. You gotta separate the
00:26:21 --> 00:26:23 art from the artist. Which is why we don't listen
00:26:23 --> 00:26:26 to Sicko Mode anymore. Oh. Well, you know what?
00:26:26 --> 00:26:28 You've got a point. Alright, Brickity. Call it.
00:26:28 --> 00:26:32 Who won? So, by both of you two's consensus,
00:26:33 --> 00:26:35 as well as the tallying that I've been making,
00:26:35 --> 00:26:39 it seems that you have came to the overall judgment
00:26:39 --> 00:26:42 that Anakin was better in natural speed, physical
00:26:42 --> 00:26:46 strength, hacking skill, and lines of remastering.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:48 Which is four of the six qualities, which means
00:26:48 --> 00:26:52 Anakin has won. And fuck you too. No, fuck you.
00:26:52 --> 00:26:54 Force Jesus overall. I can only think of one
00:26:54 --> 00:26:57 character that may have beat Anakin, and it was
00:26:57 --> 00:27:01 Revan. I was gonna say, uh, if, okay, hear me
00:27:01 --> 00:27:04 out. What if I had picked Windu? Windu would
00:27:04 --> 00:27:06 have won. Wait, the only thing Windu would have
00:27:06 --> 00:27:10 lost in is tech savviness and... Right? And just
00:27:10 --> 00:27:12 text evidence. That's it, really. I will have
00:27:12 --> 00:27:15 to say, it is a strategical move to literally
00:27:15 --> 00:27:18 just drop one of the skills if all others are
00:27:18 --> 00:27:22 very proficient. That's what I was going for.
00:27:22 --> 00:27:24 I just, I picked, I didn't have any prep time,
00:27:24 --> 00:27:27 really, for picking a character, so I just went
00:27:27 --> 00:27:29 with the first one that came to my brain, which
00:27:29 --> 00:27:31 was... We got the topic at the same time. I know,
00:27:31 --> 00:27:34 I know. But I mean, like... you know at the end
00:27:34 --> 00:27:37 of this we can pick the category no but i came
00:27:37 --> 00:27:39 up with and i never will in the same amount i
00:27:39 --> 00:27:41 never will but i came up with a better answer
00:27:41 --> 00:27:43 in the same did you come up with a better answer
00:27:43 --> 00:27:46 or did you go with the the choice that you said
00:27:46 --> 00:27:49 would be the most obvious choice for this so
00:27:49 --> 00:27:51 is the most obvious so you didn't actually put
00:27:51 --> 00:27:53 any thought into it you just looked at the things
00:27:53 --> 00:27:56 and i took oh and i looked at the things critically
00:27:56 --> 00:27:59 analyze them and pick the best choice yes that
00:27:59 --> 00:28:02 is correct thank you thank you ma 'am I think
00:28:02 --> 00:28:08 you just critically inhaled some, you know, dirty
00:28:08 --> 00:28:11 air, my guy. All right? You're mad. I won. You're
00:28:11 --> 00:28:13 mad. You probably took a shit and you were smelling
00:28:13 --> 00:28:15 it. Where are you? Okay, where are you going
00:28:15 --> 00:28:16 with this? No, I want to hear it. Go ahead. Finish
00:28:16 --> 00:28:19 it. I'm waiting. I was saying, sorry, I was getting.
00:28:20 --> 00:28:23 I was getting on to the fact that, like, one
00:28:23 --> 00:28:25 of your two brain cells was struggling. Okay,
00:28:25 --> 00:28:27 they've always been struggling. They've been
00:28:27 --> 00:28:28 fighting for third place for, I don't know, 29
00:28:28 --> 00:28:31 years now? Like, tell me something I don't know.
00:28:31 --> 00:28:33 My brain cells are constantly just doing this
00:28:33 --> 00:28:39 in my head. All the time. No breaks. You know
00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 what mine are doing? I feel like I'm being baited.
00:28:41 --> 00:28:45 No, red means bad. Oh, come on. Oh. Thank you.
00:28:47 --> 00:28:49 Thank you. That's what I needed. You know, if
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 you made a sound, nothing came through and I'm
00:28:51 --> 00:28:54 so glad. I did notice that my microphone didn't
00:28:54 --> 00:28:57 light up. Here, I'll reiterate for you. Yeah,
00:28:57 --> 00:29:07 yeah, play again, please. Fucking toxic. I had
00:29:07 --> 00:29:09 to do it twice because it didn't pick up again.
00:29:11 --> 00:29:14 It just makes your moans... Your moans are just
00:29:14 --> 00:29:15 background noise. It's what I use to go to sleep
00:29:15 --> 00:29:19 at night. That has been today's episode for Versus.
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