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In this episode of "Versus", catch the battle of Mace Windu/Depa Billaba versus Anakin Skywalker/Ahsoka Tano between NKDA and Wen'Shi to who is the better Jedi Master/Apprentice duo
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I swear to god this motherfucker takes a year and a half to brush his goddamn teeth.
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Jesus.
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What's up everyone?
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Welcome to the Forza Unscripted.
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First of all, fuck you.
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I gotta make sure I don't have any more problems with my fucking teeth, alright?
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My teeth are really sensitive and I have to go slow and very gently when I brush, alright?
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So it takes me a sec.
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Brushing his teeth is a euphemism for sex.
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It would not be that fast.
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Ew.
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I mean, I might be that fast, but the foreplay-
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Stop Taj, we'll stop right there.
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We're right there.
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But thoughts and prayers to our homie Exotic.
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He's currently dealing with the fallout of Hurricane Helene, which is a bitch of a name
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and a bitch of a hurricane apparently.
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So he's not here today, but you just know that we will carry on in his spirit of argumentation
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and fighting for no reason.
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Rest in peace, Kuah.
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For those of you who don't know, Kuah is the Mandalorian term for rest in peace.
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R.I.P. baby.
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What's up guys?
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Welcome back to The Force Unscripted.
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Today we got a versus for you guys, since our boy Exotic isn't here.
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It's just gonna be me and Gaeta doing a versus, and Brick is going to be the moderator, Brick3PO.
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So you'll see him beeping along sometimes.
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Perfect.
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Beautiful.
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As you see, Brick's gonna show up with his beeps sometimes to let us know who sucks.
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So today's versus, we've got a versus from actually one of Brick3PO's friends, I believe,
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and or maybe even Brick himself, which is who is the better Master Padawan Jedi combination?
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And I don't actually know who Nikkada has picked.
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He may know who I have picked already, but we're going into this blind,
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so there has been no fucking prep work at all.
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I even forgot that we were doing it, so I forgot to think about my shit at all.
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So we're going in fully blind.
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If I don't remember something or I remember it wrong, well, it's because I'm stupid.
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That's why we have a fact checker.
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Also, just as a note to you guys out there, ObyAnnie was completely off limits,
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so that won't be one of the combos allowed to be picked today.
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Yeah, it's just not fair.
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They're the best, honestly.
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You want to reveal yours first?
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No, you do yours first.
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All right, so my duo is actually a duo that is present in both canon and legends,
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but I know more about the legends because there's just more information about it.
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But I'm going with Mace Windu and Depa Balaba.
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Depa Balaba, Depa Balaba.
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You okay there, buddy?
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Yeah, she was also Canaan's master, right?
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Correct.
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Cool.
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Well, at least in canon and legends, she never got a Padawan
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because she's stuck under the fucking temple for all of eternity because of Palpatine.
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She never got another apprentice, right?
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No, she never had one.
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Oh, so her and Mace is only canon.
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Only legends.
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I mean, only legends.
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That's what I meant, only legends.
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Yeah.
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Well, no, in canon, Mace still trains Depa,
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but in canon, Depa has a Padawan and in legends, she doesn't.
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Okay, and then Mace was her master.
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Got it.
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Correct.
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Okay.
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My duo is Ahsoka and Anakin.
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Didn't really stretch too far from ObyAnnie there, I see.
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I mean, I did offer to make Anakin off limits.
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Totally.
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You said no.
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I mean, that's on you.
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Anakin being up is fine.
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Like, this is absolutely okay because the battle is between the best Jedi order master
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and apprentice.
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And let me tell you something.
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If that's the case, fucking Anakin fails outright and Ahsoka left.
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So, I mean, I'm ready.
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It's the best duo, though.
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It's not the best.
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Give me the question again.
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I need the exact question.
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All Brick3PO said was best Jedi order master and apprentice.
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Okay.
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I mean, Anakin was her master, but he wasn't a master.
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Lol.
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So do you want to change now?
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No.
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You're gonna get fucking wiped, brother.
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This is even gonna be close.
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I'm already fucking committed.
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I'm already...
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I'm screwed.
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It is what it is.
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All right.
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Well, since you opened the segment, you open up the arguments, buddy.
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Look, all right, post...
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I can feel you faltering already.
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Let's think about it this way.
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No, no.
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Let's think about it this way.
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All right.
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First of all, who survived Order 66?
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That's right.
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What is that?
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Whoa, no, no, no, no.
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Pause.
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That's such a bad thing because at that point Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and your motherfucker
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is the one who took out all the others.
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He still calls him master.
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It doesn't matter.
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That's such a bad point.
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That's such a...
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Because...
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Because...
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Who survived Order fucking 66?
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Okay, if we're talking about Legends, Depa Balaba survived Order 66.
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For how long?
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We don't know.
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Indefinitely.
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Okay.
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Ahsoka is not in Legends.
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Yes, she is.
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Yes, she is.
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Well, I mean...
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Clone Wars, right?
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But like, I guess that counts as Legends.
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It does count.
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Yeah.
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The one thing that both timelines share is the Clone Wars series itself.
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And she's in one of the Legends books.
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But we don't have an end for her in Legends, right?
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No, we don't.
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Okay, so both of the Padawans survive in Legends.
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Huzzah.
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Indefinitely.
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So that argument's out.
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Great.
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We're tied there.
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Perfect.
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You're not the moderator here.
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We're only tied there if Brick3ps says we're tied there.
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I need a beep if we're tied.
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I'm going to regret this.
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Fuck, I was expecting that.
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I was not expecting that.
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Okay, so in Canon, both of mine survive Order 66.
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In Legends, both of mine survive Order 66.
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Okay, I still feel like that's bullshit.
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In Legends, only one of yours survives.
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I still feel like that's bullshit to call in Canon when like...
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Of course you survive Order 66 if you're the one fucking executing it.
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That's not fair.
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It's totally fair.
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Nah, nah.
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Yeah?
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In fact, you are the sole reason that my character couldn't stop Order 66.
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You know, he even died before Order 66, so it doesn't even matter.
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I feel like surviving when neither of them survived as Jedi is just completely against the topic.
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I'm not even gonna validate you by arguing that one.
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Sure, you can have that one.
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I can't go back to being a Jedi.
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So at some point, he's still a Jedi after that, and she still calls him Master.
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Even when they meet in the World Between Worlds, she calls him Master.
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That's because she's talking to Anakin at that point.
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He's back to being a Jedi.
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Yeah, that's what I just said.
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But she's still not a Jedi, so they can't be a Jedi-Master-Apprentice combo.
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If you're going to argue something stupid, I'm going to do the same thing.
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Yeah, what's your counter to that one?
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I don't know.
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Let's see, in terms of Force powers, both of the Masters draw on the dark side, so they're tied there.
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I'm not gonna lie, I'm gonna say all out during the...
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If we're talking pre-Order 66, which I really think we should,
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I'm taking Mace over Anakin in a fight any day.
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Yeah, agreed.
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Mace with dumpster hip, VOPPED, and not only that, but Depa knows VOPPED also,
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so Ahsoka's getting wiped, so you can't beat me in like...
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When it comes to power and lightsaber dueling, there's no fucking way.
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Okay, are we talking like immediately before Order 66?
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I feel like Ahsoka could fuck up Depa.
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I feel like it'd be close.
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If she can fuck up Maul, I feel like she could fuck up Depa.
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But that's not to say I think that Depa could also fuck up Maul.
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If you're talking about that event, that's a canon-only event,
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and Depa is a fucking Master at that time.
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True, true. Okay, so I can only pull from Legends, really,
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because that's the only time that we see them as Master and Apprentice, Depa and Mace.
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So I mean, pulling that, I feel like Ahsoka just doesn't have a chance.
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I'm not gonna lie. Less of a chance if I pull from canon.
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Depa lost to who in Legends, in order to be trapped forever?
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It's not that she lost, it's that she fell to the dark side on Mace Windu's home planet of Koran,
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and when they brought her back, they felt like they couldn't rehabilitate her.
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So she was sent to Jedi recovery underneath the temple, and when Order 66 came down,
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they just never... It was speculated that she was left there for Palpatine's experimentations,
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but they never say what happens to her afterwards.
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So she didn't get beat by anyone, she was just recovered by Mace.
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So she fell to the dark side, though?
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Yes, she did fall to the dark side.
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So that's a point of action.
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She never renounced her Jedi way.
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But she fell to the dark side.
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So did Anakin.
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Yeah, I'm talking about apprentices right now.
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But he renounced, it doesn't matter, he renounced the Jedi way.
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She went back to being a Jedi, her brain was just fried.
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He did too, and his brain was also fried.
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After 20 fucking years of atrocities, it's not the same.
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I mean, she's indefinitely incarcerated in a fucking... under the Imperial Palace.
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Okay, but she lived.
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Maybe.
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And not only that, but I think with Mace as a Windu...
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Mace as a Windu.
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I mean, it's true.
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Mace as a Windu.
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Well, that's what half the book's shatter point is about, is Mace being a Windu.
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That was the whole point, because they go back to his home planet.
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So I'm not wrong there, technically.
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But I feel like with Mace as a teacher, I think that like,
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battle IQ wise, he and Depa outdo Ahsoka.
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Like, I struggle on a bit with the Depa versus Ahsoka argument there,
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because Ahsoka's battle IQ was really fucking high.
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And honestly, I'd say like, probably not as high as Anakin's,
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but I definitely feel like she was a badass in her own right.
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But knowing Mace and knowing how, like I've said,
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I feel like the strongest Jedi of all time have always been Jedi who know both sides of the Force
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and are able to use them and manipulate them.
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We know that Vopid is a way to tap into the dark side without falling to the dark side
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in the form of a style that makes you attack so fast.
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It's like you got eight limbs.
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When it comes to power, I'm taking Depa and Mace.
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I don't think there's a world where if at any point in time,
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like let's talk specifically like the last year of the Clone Wars,
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because that's when the events of Shatterpoint happened.
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And we see Anakin and Ahsoka still together at that point.
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So I'm saying like, if you take them raw to be to put them against each other,
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there's no world where like Anakin and Ahsoka are walking away from that victorious.
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I feel like Mace himself could take on Anakin and Ahsoka by himself because of Vopid.
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So I don't see Anakin and his apprentice beating both Mace and Depa Belaba
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when they can both articulately and masterfully use Vopid.
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Because in the book, Mace admits like the only other person to ever master this form
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that he invented was his apprentice.
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Ah, yeah, I can't really argue that one.
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I mean, if fucking if Mace can beat Palps, Mace can beat Anakin.
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And if Mace can beat Palps, Mace can beat Ahsoka.
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And if Mace can beat Palps, he can probably beat them together.
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Yeah, like even if I can't, I can't.
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You know what?
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Like your strongest point is the fact that I honestly think that like the Ahsoka and Depa
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fight in like if it's Ahsoka canon and Depa legends, I definitely think that like Ahsoka
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could probably win, like in all honesty.
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She's gonna be tired as fuck, but she could probably win it.
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But like if you talk canon, like there's no way Ahsoka is going to beat master.
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Like so I feel like that the timeline makes it a little weird.
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But like even still, like you just said, like I definitely think that Mace could handle
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like an Ahsoka, Anakin, like 2v1.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I think you're right.
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I think Ahsoka could maybe hold her own and or beat Depa if we're talking like peak
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Maul fight Ahsoka before Order 66.
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We have nothing after Order 66.
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I mean, if we're talking at them like peak, you know, level in general, Ahsoka, I feel
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like in the Ahsoka show could probably hold her own and or beat Depa or at least get away alive.
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If we're talking like peak prior to Order 66, I feel like Ahsoka would come out either
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equal or on the losing side versus Depa.
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If we're talking like peak of their training for all of them, I feel like Ahsoka from the
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end of the Ahsoka series could either win or walk at least walk away alive or like minimal
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damage from a fight with Depa.
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I think if we're talking like post like Return of the Jedi, like after Ahsoka sees Anakin
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in the World Between Worlds, I think if you take like those versions of them versus
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Depa and Mace, I think they just wipe.
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I think there's because how the fuck does Mace beat the father?
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Like, I understand Mace is strong as fuck, but there's that I don't think there's a
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world he's walking out of that one.
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But if we're talking about like Jedi Princess combo, I definitely think Mace has it.
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Well, yeah, you were just bringing up like, oh, the fight if Depa is a master kind of
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thing.
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Like if it's if it's before like absolutely before either of them advanced from Padawan,
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I feel like Mace and Depa win just because I mean Mace Mace kind of wipes either way,
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right?
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At that time period.
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Yeah, if we're talking later, like height of their power, Anakin World Between Worlds,
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Ahsoka, the white kind of shit.
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Yeah, I feel Anakin and Ahsoka are going to fuck him up.
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So yeah, but then at that point, do they still count as master and apprentice?
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Yes, because she still calls him master.
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He still calls her just because but she's not a Padawan, but she was.
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And just because she calls him master.
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She never graduated from being a Padawan.
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But I feel like there's a difference between no longer being a Padawan and the last thing
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you were called as a Padawan.
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She was no longer a Padawan and the last thing that she was called was a Padawan though.
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The way I kind of felt like it, she was still the Padawan until the fight in the World Between
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Worlds where he was like, yeah, you finally have the shit you need to be like a full Jedi.
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And that's why she went Ahsoka the White.
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I guess we need Ahsoka season two to confirm that.
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True.
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Hey, we should be getting it.
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So that's true.
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So I mean, like, we can still go back and forth.
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But what's going to be important BrickBPO is like you ask the question.
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So your interpretation of the question is technically what's law.
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So you'll have to based on what you've heard, you'll have to pick the winner that way.
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But we still got a little bit.
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We still got a little bit more of deliberation.
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Yeah.
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How was like Depo's control of the force?
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I mean, in legends, if we're speaking like incredible, she was able to like like Mace
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tap into, you know, energies of the dark side without falling to it.
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So you have to have outside of outside of a lightsaber battle.
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Now that I mean, like I don't have any like verifiable information to to go off on that.
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I'd imagine being the Padawan of the second strongest Jedi in the order at the time
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probably means you're pretty fucking adept.
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But that's the only assumption I can make.
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And when you think about it, like, you know, we don't like even in like the Clone Wars
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and stuff, we don't see a so good doing like big great feats in the force either.
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No, we just see her fucking she has the highest kill count of any Jedi.
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She does.
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And like I said, her battle IQ is that entire scene when they're fighting the Maldalorian
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just fucking nuts, like when she's just fucking free falling in the air, jumping from ship to ship.
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Like her battle IQ is insane.
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I think that she definitely beats Depo in that department, regardless of the timeline.
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You know, regardless of the fact that Mace killed Django, she killed way more many
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Mandalorians than he did.
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Yeah, that in itself is a fucking feat.
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Yeah, she didn't really do a ton of like force feats.
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She doesn't even really do a ton in any of the other series after either.
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Yeah, and all we really have to go from Depo and the fucking
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canon timeline is that she gets gunned down in front of just here, Erick, Kane and Jerry.
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So yeah, I mean, she held her own for a while, though, to say she was completely surrounded.
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She survived and she took like three or four blaster bolts before finally succumbing.
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Like she was holding her fucking own.
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All right, so we have a moderator interjection from Brick Groupio.
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It says Balabo was also known for possessing a deep connection to the force,
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skilled in techniques such as telekinesis in which her control was specific enough to
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alt a small bomb from going alt, alt, alt, to halt a small bomb from going off by
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preventing chemicals inside the bomb from mixing with one another.
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Other force abilities she could perform include blocking laser shots with the force,
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see through the force without usage of her eyes, and possess acute senses that could
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alert her to disturbances in the force.
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Yeah, Ahsoka ain't got any of that.
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Yeah, I don't.
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Yeah, Ahsoka's good, but she's not.
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She's not altered chemicals in a bomb kind of good, I don't think.
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I don't think so either.
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I mean, she got she she became a Padawan during the Clone Wars and like the majority of her
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training is combat.
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It's really not like being at peace with the force and, you know, pulling off like cool
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shit like that.
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I mean, she never experienced peace time until after the fall of the Empire, really.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, she went what 23, that would be 23 years, 22 years of just strife.
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Yeah.
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So I mean, combat wise, she wipes, but like later on, but like, yeah, in terms of like
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communing with the force and being it.
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Yeah, that she does none of that.
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So that would make Depa the better Jedi too, just overall.
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Yeah.
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Come on, Conceed.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Although Ahsoka goes on to train a non-fucking force sensitive to be force sensitive.
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That is a that's a pretty cool feat.
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But like one thing that I want to mention too is like a characteristic of a lot of great
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Jedi and like when it comes to master and padawan combinations, a lot of apprentices
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inherit something that is like deep to their personality and skill set from their masters.
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So like if we're talking about Windu, Balaba gets, you know, Vopped and you know,
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a very succinct and powerful mastery of the force with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan gets, you know,
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the ability to be like a negotiator and even Grievous like, you know, you know, ah, the
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negotiator, but like the key trait that Ahsoka gets from fucking Anakin is just being a smart ass.
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Like, I can't even.
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A fucking murder hobo.
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Yeah. Yes. And being sure and being a murder hobo to a very powerful Jedi tenants.
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I hear they're super Jedi like, right?
00:19:07
Exactly.
00:19:07
They're they're keepers of the peace or keepers of the pieces of their enemies.
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So I feel like I not only have you in like force mastery, but I kind of have you on combat as a
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as a in a 2v2 sense in an ISO 1v1.
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I'll go ahead and concede that my paddle on would lose, but my master would definitely win.
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And then my master would take out the paddle on un-Jedi like, but you know, if we're talking about
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like a fight to the death, that's what would happen. And then like just overall being a
00:19:37
succinct Jedi master apprentice pairing. I feel like I got you there too.
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I will say Mace never Mace never becomes a force ghost. So I do have you on the
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the the force ghost aspect, regardless of the father portion of it.
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And it doesn't Mace wasn't fucking force Jesus. He had parents.
00:19:57
Neither was Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon or Yoda.
00:20:00
Yes, but Qui-Gon Qui-Gon was very intimate with the the connection to the living force.
00:20:09
He figured it out, taught Yoda who taught Obi-Wan and that's still in the same chain of,
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you know, none of them taught Anakin.
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He was the chosen one. He's forced.
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None of them taught Anakin.
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You think you you think real life Jesus needed to cross the pearly gates?
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No, he died and he was just boom in heaven. That's how it works here too.
00:20:28
No, he died and then he came fucking back.
00:20:34
Are we talking about Jesus or Anakin?
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Yes.
00:20:41
BrickBPO wanted to add another note.
00:20:43
Ahsoka Tano's telekinetic abilities advanced to the point that she was able to hold Maul aloft
00:20:49
high above the city of Sundari and could use the force to prevent all small star ships from taking
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off. Tano later proved able to create a powerful protective force barrier that was capable of
00:21:02
temporary holding back fiery dark side energies conjured by Darth Sidious.
00:21:07
Oh, that was while she was in the world within World Between Worlds with Young Blood,
00:21:12
whatever his name was.
00:21:13
Ezra?
00:21:13
Yeah, when she was in the World Between Worlds with Ezra,
00:21:16
Palpatine like is able to see them in inside it. He can't get inside himself,
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but he sees them and he says, oh, I remember that.
00:21:22
Yeah.
00:21:23
Yeah.
00:21:24
Okay.
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And she does block that.
00:21:25
Yeah.
00:21:25
Okay. Well, so she's she is strong in her own right. However, I feel like at that point,
00:21:30
you know, Anakin is Darth Vader and she's not a Jedi. She's never been a Jedi at that point.
00:21:36
So I'm still I'm still holding true to I wipe you in basically every category as far as being
00:21:42
a Jedi Master Padawan combo is concerned.
00:21:45
You beat me. You definitely beat me post like Return of the Jedi. Yeah. Yeah. Because the
00:21:51
fucking father and Ahsoka the White would definitely be my little shrimpy mace depa balaba combo.
00:21:57
Yeah. So like I was saying, if we're talking like while they're still a master Padawan combo,
00:22:03
like before any of them leave the order or die or anything, I do think you win in like a force off
00:22:09
and a duel off. If we're talking like height of everybody's power. Yeah. My guys wipe yours.
00:22:15
How's it fair that the height of your guys power comes after he does mace wipes Darth Vader too,
00:22:20
by the way, I just want that clear. Does mace wipe Darth Vader? Absolutely. How the fuck is that big
00:22:28
bitch going to catch him? Well, he doesn't need to catch him. He just needs to overpower him,
00:22:32
which is his whole mother fucker that is so strong and fast. It looks like he's got eight
00:22:37
arms beating on you. We're talking about the guy who fucking uses the force to destroy a damn
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and destroy an entire city of people while holding the Jedi trying to protect them like by the
00:22:50
throat, like force choking him and making him watch like three and a half years of Jedi training
00:22:56
beats Vader. Look, Luke is different because Luke is different because it's his son. No matter how
00:23:04
much like he has the dark side and the it's his son. No way he's going full ape mode on them. Like
00:23:11
it's his son. He's literally like, join me. We'll rule the galaxy. He wants him to live. I'll concede
00:23:17
on that point. I still think mace wipes Vader. I don't know, man. All right. So moderator question
00:23:23
as brick says it, I understand the relationship between Annie Ahsoka because of the show,
00:23:29
but how was mace and depo's relationship if this was not talked about? So, I mean, it is talked
00:23:33
about in the Shatterpoint book and he was so deeply troubled that his paddle on head went missing,
00:23:38
that he went to investigate himself during the height of the Clone Wars. I think at the point
00:23:44
of the book, we're like two ish years into the Clone Wars. So he goes and ends up finding like
00:23:49
his home planet, Koran, which is like, you know, he's a Koran. I, the entire planet is steeped into
00:23:55
the dark side. So, so much so that every, everyone born from like the, you know, the, the tribes of
00:24:02
people are just like inherently tied to the dark side. So he goes and he finds his apprentice who
00:24:08
has been like, you know, caught and captured and steeped into the dark side in the midst of a
00:24:14
separatist plot. And he ends up, you know, he ends up saving her, but the effects are just too
00:24:19
drastic. He talks about the training, how she was not only the only one to master Vapid, but also
00:24:29
the only one who was probably capable of mastering Vapid outside of maybe Anakin. And so like, as,
00:24:36
as far as like their relationship goes, we can assume that they were close, especially if Mace
00:24:41
was willing to, you know, say forego the immediate fighting of the Clone Wars to go save her because
00:24:47
he saw her as an asset. And I think that that speaks volumes to how the relationship was.
00:24:53
Whereas like with Anakin and Ahsoka, like we do see that there's some, there's a little bit of
00:25:00
strife, you know, you know, he's a hard headed late teen and she's a hard headed young teen and
00:25:07
they do butt heads a lot, but they do end up having a good relationship that so much so that like,
00:25:14
she can't believe the words of Maul when he's telling her that, ah, yeah, your master's been
00:25:19
groomed to be my master's apprentice. Like, and, and still until she sees that mask crack and sees
00:25:25
that that indeed is Anakin Skywalker behind the mask of Darth Vader, like she truly does love her
00:25:31
masters. I personally believe that if we're talking about like from a relationship standpoint between
00:25:36
the two, I think Ahsoka carries the like the anti-Ahsoka relationship because she was truly
00:25:42
like devoted to my master was the chosen one. Like that's Anakin fucking Skywalker. I love that dude
00:25:48
and did not want to believe that he had became Darth Vader. I can't say that Depa or Mace would
00:25:53
do the same for the other. Plus, um, when Ahsoka was being accused of being a terrorist, like Anakin
00:26:00
went against like the council and the Senate and everyone to go and prove that she wasn't and to,
00:26:06
to clear her of, you know, any, any sort of guilt. Um, he re, he went way out of his way to find out
00:26:13
like who was really responsible and get her absolved of, of her, uh, alleged crimes and all
00:26:19
that kind of stuff. So, I mean, I feel like that's fairly similar to Mace going to look for Depa,
00:26:25
especially the fact that he like re, like he fixed her lightsabers, changed them to blue so that they
00:26:30
would remind her of him, like trained her against the clones so that, you know, she could survive,
00:26:35
even if, you know, she was in a really bad like situation like that where, uh, it came in handy
00:26:41
because she did survive Order 66. He definitely cared a lot. He cared a lot about the people who
00:26:46
were close to him, which was, you know, part of his, the reason for his fall in, in the first place.
00:26:51
Ahsoka, Padme, Obi-Wan, all the people closest to him. Luke, Luke's the cause of his death. He went soft.
00:26:58
I think another thing that can be spoken to Anakin and his love for Ahsoka is that as we,
00:27:04
and we can see this with a lot of lightsabers that typically a apprentices lightsaber resembles,
00:27:12
you know, in some way they're masters. So like, you know, Luke's resembles Obi-Wan's, Obi-Wan
00:27:18
is a Padawan kind of resembles Qui-Gon's and you know, so on and so forth, but we never see-
00:27:23
Ezra's new one in the Ahsoka show resembles Kanan's.
00:27:28
Yeah. But with Anakin, Anakin's like Padawan and his like night saber never resembled Obi-Wan's,
00:27:35
but what he did when he made like Ahsoka's like changed him, like you'll note that like they're
00:27:42
stylized very similarly to his. So I think that that was one thing that was really cool too,
00:27:48
is that like with Ahsoka, he like kind of reestablished that trend, which is just a
00:27:53
nice thing to say. Like you can kind of say that maces and depots kind of resemble each other a
00:27:58
little bit, but not really, honestly. I feel like at this point it's up to Brick.
00:28:02
We've kind of set our pieces. Yeah. I think I've basically brought up
00:28:06
everything that I can about my two Brick 3PO's deliberating.
00:28:11
Beep for Niketa, Roger Roger for Wenchi. Maybe he went to pee or oil. He went to oil himself.
00:28:17
Uh, uh, I, I realize how that sounded after I said it. He's reviewing his notes. Okay. So Brick,
00:28:26
Brick 3PO is done with his deliberations. If it's a beep for me and a Roger Roger for Mr.
00:28:31
Wenchi over there. Beep. Oh, that's fucked. That's beep for you, doofus. Oh wait. Oh,
00:28:36
that's not fucked. Oh my bad. I'm sorry. I'm so used to getting beeped. Okay. Hell yeah. Victory.
00:28:45
Uh, hold it. Hold it. Okay. So he, he's given his explanation as to why he chose me as the winner.
00:28:53
He says, given the timelines where they were being taught, where mace depot was in the time of peace
00:28:58
and Annie Ahsoka was in a literal war, their connection time was very different in terms
00:29:04
of powers and my understanding of lightsaber forms mace and depot would have had an edge,
00:29:08
but not necessarily a complete stomp. But what came down to it in the end is that the Annie
00:29:13
Ahsoka would technically be considered a failed duo as one left for the dark side and the other
00:29:19
being excommunicated. That was very well written actually. I mean, get shit on, get shit on. I am
00:29:24
victorious. I have, I have finally redeemed myself after the fucking battle of the dads.
00:29:29
You're welcome. I fucking love those voices. All right guys. Well that has been this week's
00:29:36
versus segment. Thank you guys for tuning in to see the Jedi master apprentice off between
00:29:43
mace Windu and depo balaba versus Ahsoka Tano and Anakin Skywalker. I have come out victorious,
00:29:50
but when she did fight a good fight and it's probably one of the, the more fun arguments
00:29:56
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00:30:02
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00:30:27
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