Versus - The Clone Off

[00:00:03] I want to make the Force be with you, it's your boy in the K to here with another segment of

[00:00:28] Versus.

[00:00:29] It's going to be when she versus exotic today.

[00:00:32] I'm super excited.

[00:00:33] The topic for today is no arcs versus the bad batch so we're having a clone off as we all know

[00:00:40] exotic has a huge fucking clone boner so I'm excited to say actually you know what?

[00:00:45] It's basically clone boner versus Mandalorian clone boner today so I'm excited to see where this goes.

[00:00:51] The boys if you're ready let's get started.

[00:00:55] You see boy when she made a kick some ass.

[00:00:57] I mean yeah you kind of set me up to fail but I'll definitely try my hardest.

[00:01:00] Are you hard right now?

[00:01:02] No.

[00:01:02] You've already lost.

[00:01:05] I thought I'd ready over my dude.

[00:01:06] You can't even complain about being set up to fail after I had the first Versus I had to do

[00:01:11] Battle of the Dads with him and there's no way I can beat the DAD as dad.

[00:01:15] But I mean like bad batch is literally just wish that Tom no less no.

[00:01:18] Exactly.

[00:01:19] I wouldn't alright first of all.

[00:01:22] Exactly.

[00:01:22] I want to see y'all do it out anyway so y'all got it y'all got to have at it.

[00:01:27] We got to pick like in what area are we arguing that they're the best or we just are

[00:01:32] giving that they're the best in general.

[00:01:34] Yeah I guess would be like all around like one to one.

[00:01:38] What about we do like you know like war skills and you know combat infiltration that kind of thing?

[00:01:43] So what exactly?

[00:01:44] What do you say?

[00:01:45] Do one to one comparisons.

[00:01:47] But there's isn't there like seven no larks and only five bad batch or am I missed what what do you mean

[00:01:52] about one to one comparisons?

[00:01:54] Like see they're doing the exact same mission who would do it better pretty much.

[00:01:57] Oh I'm cool with that.

[00:01:58] So to make this fair since I as much as I try to eliminate bias,

[00:02:02] I do think that this is definitely a one side argument so instead we're going to give you guys a scenario

[00:02:09] and you guys are going to fight between which scenario your group would do better on.

[00:02:15] So the mission at hand is to infiltrate the imperial palace on Coruscant and retrieve a Sith artifact from

[00:02:25] Alpatine's own personal like force collection.

[00:02:28] The goal is to basically convince me which one you think would do it better or you know if even your group could succeed at this effort.

[00:02:38] It's going to be hardest fuck so go forward boys.

[00:02:40] Alright where in Coruscant is this located?

[00:02:44] I just said the Imperial Palace Jackass.

[00:02:46] Like where in the palace are we talking?

[00:02:48] Well if we're assuming that it's Papatines private stash probably somewhere underground like pretty deep like sub level like let's say let's say somewhere

[00:02:56] like between 2.5 and 3 kilometers below the surface or below the base level of the Imperial Palace.

[00:03:04] Okay and the Imperial Palace got built on top of the temple right?

[00:03:08] I we don't have brick dpeo to fact check today.

[00:03:12] Oh I will be our fact checker.

[00:03:14] Yes it was it was so it wasn't built on top of it it was just the repurposed Jedi Grand Temple.

[00:03:19] The Imperial Palace also known as the Empress Palace and known formally as the Jedi Grand Temple

[00:03:24] was the official residents of the Dark Lord of Sith and the Lactic Emperor Darth Sidious.

[00:03:28] Located in the Palace Court of the Federal District of Imperial City.

[00:03:32] Okay so my next question is is he home?

[00:03:35] Let's say that they this is a time defiltration and Papatines currently off course aren't right now.

[00:03:41] Okay are we going by like are we taking the ages into account of the clones?

[00:03:46] Let's say that the both groups regardless of the time period that the infiltrations happening are in their prime.

[00:03:51] Okay.

[00:03:51] And before argumentation starts exotic do you have any other clarifying questions because I will try to avoid being in there unless like someone gets too loud or something.

[00:04:01] All right battle off them.

[00:04:02] You can go first and she'd alright so we got the six nulls we got Ordo Jane, Comer, Prudy, Maria and Aiden, Auden, Prudy, Jane and Comer are going to be the best at like stealth operations.

[00:04:17] I'm assuming so what are we talking about like security wise negator?

[00:04:22] Did you just call me negator?

[00:04:24] That's toxic anyways.

[00:04:26] We're going to assume that a full regular compliment of security officers and I'm going to mention that since this is Papatines secret stash it would also include at least two Imperial guards.

[00:04:40] So I'm going to say there's four total probably on the floor where you're trying to infiltrate.

[00:04:45] Okay any Imperial hands or no?

[00:04:46] I'm going to go ahead and say no.

[00:04:48] Minimal force users around if any and typical security.

[00:04:53] Correct the only force users involved would be the Imperial guards and as far as we know they're only force sensitive to degree.

[00:04:59] So one of the things that the nulls typically do when they when they go on an op like this is the L. Grab regular trooper armors something like that to blend in they're very good at impersonating other troops, especially Stormies and clones.

[00:05:12] One of them would be acting as like the officer or of the like the captain of the squad or whatever.

[00:05:17] So they probably go in as either a three man group or a six man total and then split at some point.

[00:05:22] Jang and Prudy would probably have some form of like hacked identity chip getting them through most of the security they're very good at procuring those kinds of things for each identities and whatnot.

[00:05:36] So I don't imagine they're going to have any any or too much trouble getting through the regular rank and file and actually getting to at least the lower levels.

[00:05:43] Obviously they have to work around some hey you're not allowed in this area kind of thing, but they would have if they would have tracked trooper movements inserted themselves as a regular patrol gotten down to the lower levels.

[00:05:55] I think really no problem has for getting into the cash to fucking Imperial Guard if we're talking to Imperial Guard that's easy peasy they're going down no problem.

[00:06:05] I mean we see freaking den jar and little grogoo take out three of them.

[00:06:10] Uh, I guarantee you six nulls are going to have what what?

[00:06:13] Hmm.

[00:06:13] Weip the floor thank you. Weip the floor with a two Imperial Guard.

[00:06:17] No matter how elite those dudes are they're even carry blasters and my boys packs some serious firepower.

[00:06:23] As for like getting the artifact and getting out I feel like it's going to be the same thing like they're their masters of infiltration.

[00:06:29] Their masters of electronic warfare.

[00:06:31] Their elite the elitist of the clone troops. I mean the bad batch is like we said earlier kind of a wish version of them.

[00:06:40] They're like highly specialized commandos and essence, but the nulls are a cut above even the alpha arcs because the came in no one didn't modify the fet genome as much to be less aggressive.

[00:06:54] And you know they don't follow orders like the other troopers do. They're not conditioned like that. They also added some like modifications to the actual physical structure of the boys.

[00:07:04] So they're a bit stronger and faster than the other ones smarter too their brains are ridiculous.

[00:07:10] And yeah, I don't feel like they're going to have any problem actually getting into the facility if they do end up in a firefight.

[00:07:16] I don't think they'll have any issues getting out of it either. Although like if they do get swarmed by the whole you know the whole compound and get trapped in like a small you know room or something

[00:07:26] One or two of them might go down especially if they're wearing the main like clone trooper armor but I doubt it.

[00:07:32] And even if they were they probably would've reinforced it with the under suits that they use for their their best car armor instead, which are much more

[00:07:40] elastic resistant than the typical trooper under suit anyway. I don't think if pouts isn't home, I don't see them having any issues getting in and out with the object at the hologram or whatever.

[00:07:49] So is that the end of you spew? Yeah, it's just like another day that ends in why for them.

[00:07:53] Yeah, so with bad batch it probably be if I go a little bit different because I mean we've seen them try to do some infiltration stuff throughout the series.

[00:08:02] Usually it doesn't end out too well but as far as like getting in and getting out you have fun to attack echo. I mean they take it pretty much infiltrate pretty well.

[00:08:10] I mean, fun to his little intuition I guess buff he could pretty much get by anything and pretty much sneak through all of it.

[00:08:20] The armor is stuff like that like you brought up but I mean getting through any type of security echo and tech to get through that pretty easily.

[00:08:26] And then you have just crosshair on lookout and record doing whatever the fuck he does.

[00:08:31] Whatever they're trying to infiltrate because I'm focused too big to do pretty much anything stealthfully imperial guard wise.

[00:08:38] I mean you set it yourself fucking baby Yoda and fucking didn't jar in can get through two of them or three of them.

[00:08:45] I think that should be like no problem whatsoever for hunter echo and tech.

[00:08:50] I mean they have they've taken down plenty of plenty decently strong enemies so you don't really have to worry too much about some of the focus with some pointy sticks that are a little bit more force sensitive.

[00:08:59] But yeah, I mean they could definitely get to the cash but it's probably not going to be as like quiet going out.

[00:09:04] They're definitely going to blow some shit up and most likely cause a bit of a bit of noise trying to get out.

[00:09:09] I mean you I would assume the normal or we have the upper hand when it comes to stealth because like I said in the bad bad series seems like every episode that they did anything of trying to get in and get out without being noticed.

[00:09:19] It always ended badly.

[00:09:20] They always had to blow their way out but yeah, I don't think any regular rank and file troopers or imperial guards could definitely stop them if they had to.

[00:09:27] They had to get that for the sake of their mission.

[00:09:29] So for argument sake, which group do you think we'll be able to do it faster and which group do you think we'll be able to actually successfully exfiltrate the nulls 100%.

[00:09:39] I mean look tech tech is a good you know hacker that kind of thing right tech tech and echo could could do some shit like that but like the nulls they come with the freaking identities and everything like pre loaded.

[00:09:52] They bring those with them they've already done the pre work tech and them they're kind of as as it comes they they solved or try to solve problems so they're definitely going to have our harder time getting through the facility spoofing imperial IDs that kind of thing.

[00:10:06] So I think even just by like getting through doors and whatnot the nulls are going to be faster in general.

[00:10:11] Yeah, but I mean like you also got I mean say if they get that prep time because you know a couple episodes they got imperial imperial codes through Rex and Echo so if that wasn't option they could go that way.

[00:10:23] But like I said they're going to have to blow their way out there's no way they're sneaking out like they're not getting in and getting out as quickly as possible just depending on if the nulls can sneak faster than the bad batch can blow up records pretty good a wreckage it so I mean I think they could get out and get in pretty quickly.

[00:10:38] I don't know man like the nulls like I said they're going to go in disguises right the bad batch rarely uses disguises and not a single one of them is going to look disguised on fucking record let me tell you.

[00:10:50] Yeah that's why that's why I said like records not going to go in like he gonna be the get you all out real quick with some fuck with he and the ship ready to fucking come blows them shit up so they don't even have their big firepower with them because it's an infiltrate mission it's not a fucking blow up and get getting it out I mean they'll have probably like I said there.

[00:11:07] But once the alarm start going off because I mean you're saying they're gonna have to blow their way out once the alarm start going off record in around a more record in the ship.

[00:11:16] He's he ready to come pick them up because I mean their fucking ship is pretty much a ghost on all sort of sensors and everything but like these guys are like two and a half kilometers down in the imperial palace he not gonna fly his ship into the imperial palace two and a half kilometers down they got to they got to fight through all that if they're coming out loud.

[00:11:34] Yeah, I mean you also have crosshair which is always going to be on the lookout for shit and you're gonna give the best covering fire because I'm not fucking don't miss a shot.

[00:11:42] You got Parkinson's I don't know what you're talking about this is like like we're in their pristine time right we're not at least like PTSD crosshair.

[00:11:49] Yeah as a as a moderator interjection here I did say that they both groups were at peak.

[00:11:54] Yeah this is a PTSD crosshair this is episode one bad bad fucking shoot off mirrors and hit 18 different targets.

[00:12:00] I'll allow that.

[00:12:02] Still like I don't know if the nose have the sharp shooter like the bad matchups.

[00:12:06] I guarantee you every single one of the nose is going to be on crosshair's level they're just that good what are they dedicated to it.

[00:12:13] They have one or two that are dedicated to to stealth and sharp shooting in that kind of thing think.

[00:12:19] Broody right his prudy trains the speck off students as a as a interjection I would have to say like for and I can't I can't back this with objective facts but I would say that that.

[00:12:30] Cross they the all the nose may be on crosshairs level but crosshairs specialization I feel makes him better than any single like if it was a 101 crosshair versus any other null on sharp shooting crosshair was still win.

[00:12:45] Crosshair is genetically red to be good at what he does the nose are pretty much there's supposed to be like top tier and everything like that but they're not red specifically for one exact.

[00:12:55] That's true they are meant to be the like ultimate flex kind of soldier so they're good at everything highly doubt any of them have hunters kind of like.

[00:13:04] Spidey sense that he has fucking intuition though mean one thing goes wrong they're not ready for crosshair or not crosshair hunter he's always ready for I think okay I'll give him the spidey sense but they're definitely ready for when she goes wrong they okay so so they're they're mandalorians right on top of being null arc troopers they are all.

[00:13:25] Always prepared for shit to go bad they got the gear they got the intel they don't do ops like this without like proper prep and planning and multiple X fill options and.

[00:13:36] Contendancies and that kind of thing like hunter may be able to to you know modify the plan on the fly but I guarantee you they've already planned like three steps ahead so I guess it really just comes down to if the bad batch can blow up quicker that you know getting sneak out.

[00:13:49] Yeah yeah I don't know I mean if you try and a sneak pass people instead of just blowing them a fuck up I feel like blown on the fuck up goes a little bit quicker it depends right because like if I can just take the elevator up three kilometers and just walk out the front door which is something they do fairly often.

[00:14:04] I feel like that's going to be a lot faster than fighting my way through three kilometers worth of guards and troopers.

[00:14:10] Which also I mean bad batch definitely going to be I mean alarms and shit like that Tekken echo probably deal with those pretty quick.

[00:14:17] Rekker is going in if he really goes in I mean like I said I doubt that he would go into an infiltration off he's probably you know wait not the exit pretty much.

[00:14:25] I just can't really fucking even think of a prisoner here to try to get home trying to think of like episodes where they actually did infiltration off so I actually went well.

[00:14:33] He really didn't.

[00:14:35] Yeah, they really didn't pretty much every single one of their obstacles wrong.

[00:14:39] Yeah it's on point and another.

[00:14:40] As a final point of contention between the two we all know from you know different media not just Star Wars that no successful infiltration mission is seeing to fruition without a.

[00:14:55] Supporting group for the actual infiltration team themselves with these two groups.

[00:15:01] Who do you think would have the better supporting team helping them?

[00:15:06] I'm going to say it's going to be the nose because most likely especially for a lot of these apps they pull in.

[00:15:11] What's that joy to name TK TK what you know what's going on talking about right the the duo the joy to know what you're talking about however I'm not going to help you assist here.

[00:15:20] No fact checks for me or not well no information provided for me I will fact check anyway they have a full like sentient not tied down by the droid limitations.

[00:15:34] The the joy like can't do this can't do that kind of thing they have a fully autonomous droid companion that they hire for a lot of ops like this especially infiltrating imperial stuff like they do later in the imperial commandos series.

[00:15:45] Or the fact check purpose of this the what he's talking about is that this droid does not have the sub routines that most droids have that allow them to not harm humans or be completely subservient to humans.

[00:16:01] Yeah, essentially the droid has rights but he did it himself.

[00:16:03] I have a pretty much a sideboard echo.

[00:16:07] He's on the off.

[00:16:08] Yeah, but well I guess this is another question for an a K to would this be so if you're asking for outside help so you have bad matches connections with the Rex's group so Rex's group a outside help that they could get or is this.

[00:16:24] Any any resource that each group could use in their own respective media is allowed to be in this scenario.

[00:16:32] Okay, so I mean Rex had inside people in the imperial's left and right that's how they always got there in pre-year codes and everything like that.

[00:16:40] Are we are we in the time period where nine are in the arm and are still in the are the ICs.

[00:16:45] I think we're the time period where they're dead.

[00:16:47] Well, nine are didn't die but didn't darmond die.

[00:16:50] I mean have you read the damn thing because I don't want to spoil that.

[00:16:53] I haven't finished it.

[00:16:54] Okay, well nine are alive and they did have direct comms with nine are in darmen throughout their stay at the in the imperial.

[00:17:04] Garrison or whatever they're together.

[00:17:05] Okay, so to ease up things let's just go ahead and say that like though the time period is where it is will let all their resources be available.

[00:17:15] So we'll say that that darmen is available to the nozzles.

[00:17:18] I mean, we still have like clones still being used by the Empire.

[00:17:22] I mean if the clones have been faced out then yeah that would make it a little hard for for exotic to fight that argument so yeah we'll say we'll say like again the full support is available.

[00:17:33] So if the clones were available to the bad batch in their prime and they'll be available in the scenario also.

[00:17:37] Okay well in that case we got two boys on the inside working in the the spec ops division directly under Vader.

[00:17:43] They have a lot of clearance they would easily be able to assist the nozzles in getting in and out providing a distraction that kind of thing because they have the proper clearance and the know how of like the facilities and whatnot to get around.

[00:17:57] So I mean we already have inside you know inciders that we don't have to like convince to help us because we already have direct comms to them through the efforts of that TK joy giving them installing personalized comms with.

[00:18:13] What what what is it when you're the code like is always changing for a thing what's the word for that they spoof and they spoof the yeah they they're like constantly spoofing the signals so that they can they aren't detected by Imperial like surveillance and that kind of thing.

[00:18:29] So they they would have definitely inside job dudes on this as well as you know whatever else they bring with them there's also.

[00:18:38] Cal waylin the rest of the the commandos that defected we've got Barton who is a Jedi man to lower in who goes on a lot of ops with them and is perfectly comfortable wearing the trooper armors well.

[00:18:52] They got a big you know they got a big group of supporting cast especially if if Barton goes with them like they're easily getting in and out because he can just mind why people and force suggest them to to fuck right off.

[00:19:07] Yeah, there's not really much others that I could do to for users as just some genetically altered clones.

[00:19:13] That bad chink got no friends.

[00:19:15] I mean they have all the other clones that's pretty much it.

[00:19:18] And the fucking lizard lady that betrayed them.

[00:19:20] I got I got trillions of dollars and like a full almost garrison of troopers on Mandalore and the Mandaloreans and a Jedi Mandalorian and at this age what cat would be what like 20 something so he's in his prime too.

[00:19:37] You haven't a bad day. Yeah, like I said if palp saying around they're in and out easy peasy no problem.

[00:19:43] All right any other last remarks before we close it the nose are better.

[00:19:48] Yeah, that's a very one sided.

[00:19:51] GG exotic.

[00:19:53] GG exotic indeed yeah I'm gonna have to give it to the nose.

[00:19:56] You don't have communicative.

[00:19:59] I

[00:20:01] So what I will say is that like I feel like the only category that the bad batch would have beat the nose in would have been support because

[00:20:12] I feel like with Rex and his compliment of clones like scattered everywhere technically the bad batch would have had more resources as far as the infiltration goes.

[00:20:23] Excellent.

[00:20:24] I mean, actually, it's not that strong suit.

[00:20:26] So I feel like the definitely the nose when just higher success rate in general on these types of missions and stuff but I was still nice to hear you guys argue the fact that I thought that exotic has a pretty fucking good points that I didn't even think about.

[00:20:41] Yeah, bad batch are good at making stuff go boom because they fuck everything up.

[00:20:44] All right.

[00:20:44] So we're going to give it to when she on this one boys when she has won yet another versus keep putting my mando boys up against your shit keep keep keep coming.

[00:20:57] Let me run you into the ground.

[00:20:59] You're always that train you be cheating how much are you how much are you are cheating.

[00:21:03] You always go back to fucking legends, mando clones and back and then.

[00:21:09] You're cleaning up after their shit so that's a definitely one sided.

[00:21:13] Your your point is your mom that's my point.

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